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PostSubject: Boogey Men of 9th   Boogey Men of 9th I_icon_minitimeWed Sep 09 2020, 12:44

Ive been running into a few units that keep messing me up, and would like to see how other archons have countered these threats to our rightful dominance of the battlefield.

Tyranid Tyranofex – This guy has a 4D6 flamer that does D3 damage. Shoots on overwatch, then shoots you again in their Shooting Phase with no -1 to hit (because it’s a flamer). The Tyranofex generally gets a 5++ from its Psykic Awakening book along with a 5+++ Catalyst psykic power. The only way I can seem to deal with it is to ignore and hide :/

Marine Librarian on Jump Pack – This guy has the Null Zone psykic power that turns off our invulnerable saves on units within 6”. Deadly to our Coven units. It does need a 7 to pass, but when it goes off its very difficult to deny with the Helm of Spite. Librarian always surrounded by Primaris so it cant get targeted before doing its thing.

How are you guys playing around these units, and what other difficult units have you guys run up against?
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PostSubject: Re: Boogey Men of 9th   Boogey Men of 9th I_icon_minitimeWed Sep 09 2020, 14:19

I've yet to face either of these threats myself, so this is going to be pure theory. Apologies in advance if I say anything stupid.

Regarding the Tyrannofex, are you sure your opponent is playing it correctly? Unless I've missed something, its flamer only gets 2d6 shots. Now, granted, it does get to fire twice in his shooting phase, but that only applies if it didn't move, and doesn't apply to Overwatch at all.

Depending on its position, might it be possible to simply stay more than 18" away? That way it will have to move if it wants to shoot, thus losing half its potential shots.

If this is possible, perhaps you could concentrate fire initially on other units? If your opponent is concentrating on defending his Tyrannofex, he's not protecting genestealers, Hive Tyrant or whatever else he's using.

But if the Tyrannofex needs to die ASAP, I'm noticing that it only has a 3+ armour save. You've already mentioned Coven, so might some Dark Technomancer shooting be a good answer to it? It's invulnerable save will be useless against Venoms, and even with a 5+++ I'm not sure how long it can realistically last.Especially if you're able to throw in some other firepower into the mix. Granted, it's a little awkward because you have to get close to the thing to be fully effective, and it's something of a bullet-sponge in general.

If you prefer a melee approach, there's always the Vexator Mask to at least block its Overwatch shots (though obviously this requires a different Coven to the above).

If possible, I would suggest trying to avoid it initially and punish your opponent for protecting it over other stuff.


As for the Librarian, it's a very unfortunate matchup for us. I think it's a case where you'll have to accept some significant losses.

My best advice would be to lure it close with a juicy-looking target (perhaps a Grotesque squad?), and then focus everything you've got to kill the Primaris bodyguards and then the Librarian itself. I don't know what you've been running, but this technique would obviously favour multiple, smaller Grotesque squads, rather than one big one. I know it's liable to be a significant loss either way, but it's liable to still be preferable to allowing said Librarian to run around unchecked.

The only other alternative I can think of would be to try and snipe out the Librarian. Unless I'm mistaken, it only has 4 wounds and a 3+ armour save - so DT Hexrifles should actually be quite effective against it. For a laugh, you could even add in a PT Archon with Soul Seeker. Even if you don't kill the Librarian, you should at least be able to force your opponent's hand - as he won't be able to safely hold it back behind the Primaris screen.


Anyway, hope at least some of this helps. Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Boogey Men of 9th   Boogey Men of 9th I_icon_minitimeWed Sep 09 2020, 15:57

The hard counter I have come up against in my Coven list is the humble Deathwatch Intercessor with auto bolt rifle. Each schmuck is getting 3 shots that wound Grotesques and Taloi on a 2+, usually rerolling hits and wounds. They are useless against vehicles, but that's what his deepstriking Eradicators are for if I try to Grot bomb in a Raider. I am going to try a different approach by trying to kill his rerolls. Right now I have my eyes on the CP black hole that is a Harlie Vanguard:

Vanguard Detachment -3CP (Aeldari - Harlequins) [18 PL, -7CP, 317pts]
Configuration
Detachment CP [-3CP]
Masque Form
Selections: The Dreaming Shadow: Sombre Sentinels
Stratagems
Enigmas of the Black Library (2 Relics) [-3CP]
HQ
Shadowseer [7 PL, 115pts]
Selections: Agent of Bedlam, Mirror of Minds, Shuriken Pistol, Twilight Pathways
Elites
Death Jester [3 PL, 50pts]
Selections: Cegroach's Lament, Humbling Cruelty
Death Jester [3 PL, 50pts]
Selections: Curtainfall, The Jest Inescapable
Solitaire [5 PL, -1CP, 102pts]
Selections: Blitz, Harlequin's Caress, Harlequin's Kiss, Stratagem: Pivotal Role, Unnatural Acrobatics

When I read the rules for Death Jesters with their relic weapons and stratagems, I started to wonder if they could actually snipe a Primaris character. I think they just may be able to do it, along with the Shadowseer power that lets you put MWs on any unit within 24", no LoS required. If it works for Captains/Lieutenants, it should work for Librarians, right? One Death Jester would also be able to prevent Overwatch for the Tyrannofex simply by tagging it.
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PostSubject: Re: Boogey Men of 9th   Boogey Men of 9th I_icon_minitimeWed Sep 09 2020, 18:13

Honestly I am more worried about the enemy shooting phase where the thing gets the full 4D6 shots (you are correct,it can only OW with 2D6). I feel like I should be able to kill the thing with my ranged weaponry, but 6 Lances is just not enough to get through the 5++/5+++. Last game it made NINE 5+++ saves to keep it alive.

I know the solution is to just avoid it, BUT IT MUST DIE! Vect commands it!

Hunh, havent ever thought about being on the receiving end of a poisoned weapon. 2+ to wound sounds horrible with their volume of fire. Do those Intercessors cost more than regular Intercessors? Seems like a prime target for a Dissie Ravager. Far less expensive than a Harlie Patrol (if you want to go Realspace Raider route). Coven units will nearly all evaporate to that firepower (Talos/Chornos got that 3+ which should help), but it would be nearly useless against Wyches or Kabalites. Wyches also get their 4++ in CC, but not sure if you want to be there against Marines and their 4 attacks each :/
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PostSubject: Re: Boogey Men of 9th   Boogey Men of 9th I_icon_minitimeTue Sep 15 2020, 15:07

@fisheyes wrote:

Hunh, havent ever thought about being on the receiving end of a poisoned weapon. 2+ to wound sounds horrible with their volume of fire. Do those Intercessors cost more than regular Intercessors? Seems like a prime target for a Dissie Ravager. Far less expensive than a Harlie Patrol (if you want to go Realspace Raider route). Coven units will nearly all evaporate to that firepower (Talos/Chornos got that 3+ which should help), but it would be nearly useless against Wyches or Kabalites. Wyches also get their 4++ in CC, but not sure if you want to be there against Marines and their 4 attacks each :/

No one knows the cost as of yet. But, it would be a stretch to think a Gravis T5, 3W unit is going to be the same cost as Intercessors.

And marines don't get 4 attacks in CC. They get 3 when charged, unless they are upgraded using Veteran Intercessors (btw, BS way to create all game strength that would otherwise cost points). I personally hope people take lots of these Heavy Intercessors to counter other marines, only to be shocked by my Wych horde dragging them down with S3 attacks. Otherwise, i see these as a genuine threat to our transports and Reavers.
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PostSubject: Re: Boogey Men of 9th   Boogey Men of 9th I_icon_minitimeTue Sep 15 2020, 18:24

That Heavy 2 Damage flat 3 bolter already has me sweating blood :/

I think lists will be changing rapidly over the next few months. Which I admit is healthy for the Meta, but still sucks from a painting point of view.

Has anyone run into anything else scary against us True Kin? Have not played against Chaos this edition. I also think that 2 man shield drones will be a problem for their ability to screen
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