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Soulless Samurai
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PostSubject: Re: Custom Obsessions Combinations   Custom Obsessions Combinations - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeMon Oct 14 2019, 19:08

@Cerve wrote:
The thing is, in 8th there's not a single way to get more than 1 model wounded at the time, in the same unit.

What about Leman Russ units with Plasma Cannons?

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PostSubject: Re: Custom Obsessions Combinations   Custom Obsessions Combinations - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeMon Oct 14 2019, 19:46

No way are 5th edition wound allocation shenanigans gonna fly in 8th.
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PostSubject: Re: Custom Obsessions Combinations   Custom Obsessions Combinations - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeTue Oct 15 2019, 02:47

Yeah, I wouldn't count on that being a loophole you can continue to exploit.

Still I think there's plenty of merit to considering dark technomancers combine other traits that may midigrate the mortal wounds loss.

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PostSubject: Re: Custom Obsessions Combinations   Custom Obsessions Combinations - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeTue Oct 15 2019, 06:01

Nm read it wrong.

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PostSubject: Re: Custom Obsessions Combinations   Custom Obsessions Combinations - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeTue Oct 15 2019, 06:16

I hear "overwatch or choosing to fire with".
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PostSubject: Re: Custom Obsessions Combinations   Custom Obsessions Combinations - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeTue Oct 15 2019, 12:23

@Soulless Samurai wrote:
@Cerve wrote:
The thing is, in 8th there's not a single way to get more than 1 model wounded at the time, in the same unit.

What about Leman Russ units with Plasma Cannons?


They're not a single unit. You deploy them as a single unit, but in game each one works alone.

And about Sentinels, their plasma kills them directly.



So no, I can't find a single example in the game where you can have multiple wounded models in the same unit. Guess they will fix it.
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PostSubject: Re: Custom Obsessions Combinations   Custom Obsessions Combinations - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeTue Oct 15 2019, 14:26

@Cerve wrote:

So no, I can't find a single example in the game where you can have multiple wounded models in the same unit. Guess they will fix it.

Hopefully, they will fix it to 1 MW to the unit after any 1s are rolled from all enhanced weapons in the unit.
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PostSubject: Re: Custom Obsessions Combinations   Custom Obsessions Combinations - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeTue Oct 15 2019, 14:41

Mmm...I think they will keep 1 MW for any 1 rolled per weapon. Just 1 mw to the entire unit is broken. Yes Venoms are suicide Venoms and that is what balance that combo
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PostSubject: Re: Custom Obsessions Combinations   Custom Obsessions Combinations - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeTue Oct 15 2019, 15:07

@Cerve wrote:
@Soulless Samurai wrote:
@Cerve wrote:
The thing is, in 8th there's not a single way to get more than 1 model wounded at the time, in the same unit.

What about Leman Russ units with Plasma Cannons?


They're not a single unit. You deploy them as a single unit, but in game each one works alone.

Oh fair enough. I'd forgotten that was how they worked.

Shows how many times I've used them in 8th. Razz

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PostSubject: Re: Custom Obsessions Combinations   Custom Obsessions Combinations - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeTue Oct 15 2019, 15:24

@Cerve wrote:
Mmm...I think they will keep 1 MW for any 1 rolled per weapon. Just 1 mw to the entire unit is broken. Yes Venoms are suicide Venoms and that is what balance that combo

Maybe, but it adds a weird label of complexity to shooting that 8th edition prefers to avoid.

Considering that a unit of marines can now just run up to a venom and punch it to death via massed weight of attacks due to shock assault, I don't think that 1 MW max for enhancement is really that broken.
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PostSubject: Re: Custom Obsessions Combinations   Custom Obsessions Combinations - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeTue Oct 15 2019, 16:08

I think it will stay at 1 mortal wound per weapon. I wouldn't call 1 mortal wound max broken, but the Dark Technomancers/Experimental Creations venoms seem incredibly strong against the rather common primaris targets. It should have a pretty significant downside, and the possibility of doing 2 wounds to yourself each turn is a notable trade off.

The one benefit of Dark Technomancers for a talos is if you're using say a twin-linked splinter cannon, that still technically counts as just one weapon, lower chance than a venom of doing damage to yourself.

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PostSubject: Re: Custom Obsessions Combinations   Custom Obsessions Combinations - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeTue Oct 15 2019, 16:13

The Talos weapon options are two Splinter Cannons/Haywire Blasters/Heat Lances, unfortunately. Its only twin-linked weapon is the Liquifier Gun.
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PostSubject: Re: Custom Obsessions Combinations   Custom Obsessions Combinations - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeTue Oct 15 2019, 16:16

O it is, rip I guess not then.

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PostSubject: Re: Custom Obsessions Combinations   Custom Obsessions Combinations - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeTue Oct 15 2019, 17:13

Slashing Impact - after charging, roll a D6 - on a 5+ nearby unit takes a mortal wound.
Test of Skill - +1 to wound against monsters or vehicles with >10 wounds

I like those two for my Blade Denied cult. Seems nice. But what does it mean "nearby unit takes a mortal wound"? The one you charged or every unit nearby? Or it`s work like Dark harvest for haemonculi?

For covens i`ll probably go with Dark Harvest and Experimental creations for now.
Not decided for Kabal for now.

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PostSubject: Re: Custom Obsessions Combinations   Custom Obsessions Combinations - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeTue Oct 15 2019, 18:10

I'm going to try Slashing+Testing and Artists of the Flesh tonight.
Basically I love the idea to give some super resilience trasports for my wyches.
And I'll try some Hydra Gauntlets on Veichle/Monsters. Rerolling 5+ seems quite nice. 10 Wyches, 1 Power Weapon, 1 Blast Pistol, 3 Gauntlets should be.able to bring some wounds into R6+ veichles between mortal wounds and normal attacks.
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PostSubject: Re: Custom Obsessions Combinations   Custom Obsessions Combinations - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeTue Oct 15 2019, 18:12

Opps. Wrong thread - please delete.

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PostSubject: Re: Custom Obsessions Combinations   Custom Obsessions Combinations - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeTue Oct 15 2019, 21:23

experimental creation and obsessive collector, using many wracks and cronos. Wounds regeneration everywhere. They just won't die
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PostSubject: Re: Custom Obsessions Combinations   Custom Obsessions Combinations - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeTue Oct 15 2019, 21:25

Okay. So the more that I actually think about Obsessive Collectors, and its wording, the more I realize that the rule isn't quite as crazy as it seems at first, and probably is meant as written (1d3 per model killed)

For example. Let's say you charge with a unit of wracks. You attack with them. and then the enemy hits you back. You aren't going to get any wounds back that round, because you've inflicted all of your wounds *before* you took your casualties. After that, it's your opponent's turn. The opponent's unit now gets to strike first... or he just falls back and lights your wracks up via shooting. Assuming that you're still in close combat, you have to use whatever you have left after that in order to try to regain lost wounds.

So, I don't think that 1d3 models regained/wounds regained in this manner is nearly as broken as it sounds at first.
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PostSubject: Re: Custom Obsessions Combinations   Custom Obsessions Combinations - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeTue Oct 15 2019, 21:38

@Lord Asvaldir wrote:

Obsessive Collectors - when an enemy unit is destroyed as a result of an attack made with a melee weapon, select a model - it regains D3 lost wounds. Wracks instead restore D3 lost models (HOLY crap).

If this is right, its for enemy unit destroyed, I don't know if you have another information. Seems cool an playable, but It's not a rain of mana. I don't think that this could compete with Dark Technomancer and Experimental Creations
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PostSubject: Re: Custom Obsessions Combinations   Custom Obsessions Combinations - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeTue Oct 15 2019, 21:38

What I took into consideration for it was the fact that you will probably lose models/wounds due to shooting and/or overwatch before you get into combat. If you're running dark technomancers then it will also be useful for gaining back lost models or wound caused by the 1's t wound.

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PostSubject: Re: Custom Obsessions Combinations   Custom Obsessions Combinations - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeTue Oct 15 2019, 21:44

@Rodi Sikni wrote:
@Lord Asvaldir wrote:

Obsessive Collectors - when an enemy unit is destroyed as a result of an attack made with a melee weapon, select a model - it regains D3 lost wounds. Wracks instead restore D3 lost models (HOLY crap).

If this is right, its for enemy unit destroyed, I don't know if you have another information. Seems cool an playable, but It's not a rain of mana. I don't think that this could compete with Dark Technomancer and Experimental Creations

Today's Warhammer Community article for Phoenix Rising showed off Obsessive Collectors, it's 100% based on every model killed. Not unit.
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PostSubject: Re: Custom Obsessions Combinations   Custom Obsessions Combinations - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeTue Oct 15 2019, 21:46

@Burnage wrote:


Today's Warhammer Community article for Phoenix Rising showed off Obsessive Collectors, it's 100% based on every model killed. Not unit.

As I noted in my post above, I don't think this is going to get nearly as much practical use as one might think at a glance, due to its timing.
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PostSubject: Re: Custom Obsessions Combinations   Custom Obsessions Combinations - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeTue Oct 15 2019, 21:50

Wow, thanks a lot for the info. Now techno wracks with liquifier gun seems less suicide xD
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PostSubject: Re: Custom Obsessions Combinations   Custom Obsessions Combinations - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeTue Oct 15 2019, 21:55

@krayd wrote:
@Burnage wrote:


Today's Warhammer Community article for Phoenix Rising showed off Obsessive Collectors, it's 100% based on every model killed. Not unit.

As I noted in my post above, I don't think this is going to get nearly as much practical use as one might think at a glance, due to its timing.

It's still a substantial increase to base durability - how often do you get into combat at full health?

Does it provide more durability than +1 to your invulnerable save? Well... maybe, maybe not. But here you can add something else on as well.
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PostSubject: Re: Custom Obsessions Combinations   Custom Obsessions Combinations - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeTue Oct 15 2019, 23:15

Vexator mask provides the most durability.
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