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PostSubject: DL or Shatterfield missile   DL or Shatterfield missile I_icon_minitimeThu Nov 17 2011, 05:39

So I have a game against IG coming up and I am split on how to spend some of the last points.

Choice one - 4 shatterfield missiles on both of the voidravens I am bringing

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Choice two - a unit of 8 bloodbrides w/ HG and in a Raider with a FF

I figure the bloodbrides can take out some guardsmen as I open up tanks and can help open tanks with HG, but the shatterfield missiles give me a lot of early strength 10 shots to throw at tanks so open them up earlier. So, opinions?
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PostSubject: Re: DL or Shatterfield missile   DL or Shatterfield missile I_icon_minitimeThu Nov 17 2011, 05:40

Just realized I accidentally posted this in the wrong forum. Sorry wasn't paying enough attention. Please move it at your earliest convenience to the proper forum.
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PostSubject: Re: DL or Shatterfield missile   DL or Shatterfield missile I_icon_minitimeThu Nov 17 2011, 05:56

Go with the Brides. Seriously, the number of attacks they can throw out in one assault phase is ridiculous, and you'll need them against blobs.

Unless, of course, you're playing against a mech list, in which case I would still suggest taking the Brides, but also advise bringing more darklights, because the last thing you want to happen to you when facing a wall of AV 12+ tanks is an acute case of rubber lance syndrome.

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PostSubject: Re: DL or Shatterfield missile   DL or Shatterfield missile I_icon_minitimeThu Nov 17 2011, 09:06

Uh, I'd just take standard Wyches, maybe toss them a Haemonculus for the Liquifier and pain Token.
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PostSubject: Re: DL or Shatterfield missile   DL or Shatterfield missile I_icon_minitimeThu Nov 17 2011, 14:47

You dont actually want to kill that many gaurdsmen with brides in one phase....cause if you do so you will be in the plain field with armor save 6+....yeah....you know what it means.

IG players where i play also have sacrificial bubblewrap squads to defend their Chimeras and Manticores/Lemans. First they remove as casualty is sergeant...they will surely lose combat and surely be swept...and then those who did this will surely eat whole Imperial Guard firepower.

I rarely see blobby IG, even if there is one Splinter Cannons is the way to go, not Brides.

And i dont know what weapon are you talking about , but DE dont have Strenght 10 weapons besides some AP- haemy toy and ramming.

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PostSubject: Re: DL or Shatterfield missile   DL or Shatterfield missile I_icon_minitimeThu Nov 17 2011, 15:06

I would say the best answer is 'none' when talking Voidraven - I'd take the Wyches/Bloodbrides in a heartbeat.

Remember, the Shatterfield is Str 7 and AP- it's okay at hurting light vehicles, but is hardly something to write home about as far as tank busting goes. It will struggle to hurt AV 11-12, much less anything tougher.

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PostSubject: Re: DL or Shatterfield missile   DL or Shatterfield missile I_icon_minitimeThu Nov 17 2011, 18:20

For some reason I was thinking shatterfields were str 10 last night. No idea how that happened. And the reason why I was looking at brides was for the haywire grenades. I rarely see blobs of guardsmen and definitely won't be seeing bubblewrap and my 2 hqs are vect and malys so the brides were going to be acc escort for them that could open tanks up. That and I ran out of warrior models
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PostSubject: Re: DL or Shatterfield missile   DL or Shatterfield missile I_icon_minitimeThu Nov 17 2011, 23:53

You do know that Wyches get Haywire grenades, right? I'd steer clear of the missile upgrades entirely (too many points for a minor advantage, especially since you're probably gonna unload all of them at once anyhow)

Sounds like you've got a lot of points wrapped up in HQs, and you probably need more warriors/etc. I've found that while you can get away with soaking some points into an Incubus deathstar here, or a tooled up swiss army knife Wych squad there, in general you gotta have your beef and potatoes Warriors in Raiders/Venoms, etc.
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PostSubject: Re: DL or Shatterfield missile   DL or Shatterfield missile I_icon_minitimeSat Nov 19 2011, 08:48

I would go ahead and take the 8- points of missiles, and I'll tell you why: they will ALWAYS make their points back if aimed well. Bloodbrides are an OK unit to be sure, but they are going to be at a disadvantage here when it comes to "bubble wrapping" units.

The fun trick for the DE flyers is twofold: firstly, it's nearly impossible to obscure their shots with infantry. 6" up in the air means they see well over 50% of the front facing with no difficulty unless your opponent is wrapping his tanks with Ogryns. Secondly, even if he does it's little matter: launch your Lances into the tank along with the missiles, positioned so as to hit as many infantry models as possible. This is a great way to hit units that might otherwise be out of sight or packed in to cover the tanks, and will typically clear a path for any lower vehicles or infantry to get clear follow up shots on disembarking infantry or followup anti-tank. Bloodbrides can't do that. Further, two S9 lances apiece is going to be a huge deal in reliably taking out heavy tanks like the Leman Russ. That extra point of Strength nearly doubles the chances of killing an AV12+ vehicle with your lance.

Finally, I can tell you right off that your Bloodbrides are kitted all wrong at only 8 models and no upgrades save the Haywire. I would suggest instead dropping two models and spending the points on Hydra Gauntlets or Shardnets. The hydra Gauntlets will provide more attacks on average than the extra models anyway, and offer more wound allocation options. And where the heck is your Agonizer? Vect can't be pulling the whole load there, he is very killable at T3 without eternal warrior.
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PostSubject: Re: DL or Shatterfield missile   DL or Shatterfield missile I_icon_minitimeSun Nov 20 2011, 07:08

I didn't have that many points put into HQ's. I took Vect and Malys which at 2k isn't really that bad. I ended up going for blood brides and swapped the upgrades from my standard wych unit into them and left the wych unit with HG. I went for the blood brides for the utility, can't really say I missed the missiles since my opponent had everything in chimeras. The void lances, as always, proved to be quite effective which is why I will always vote for voidravens over ravagers against vehicles. Funny enough one of my voidravens bombed himself(very amusing story behind it) and luckily the mine just knocked off a lance, could have gone a lot worse. Didn't see the point in an agoniser for the BB since it was against IG. Took a venom blade to through out more wounds since a 5+ isn't anything to brag about.
Game ended in a draw, mostly because I stopped caring about the objectives and decided to toy with my food so both objectives ended up contested (I had 1 scoring unit on the board and he had none with just a few vehicles left to face off against heat lances, a voidraven, a ravager, 2 blasterborn, and 2 raiders, as well as my BB and wyches which were all in assault range of vehicles. So it wouldn't have been hard to turn it into a W but we rolled a 1 to see if we would go on to turn 6).
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