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Trueborn44
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PostSubject: Re: TTT DE video   TTT DE video - Page 7 I_icon_minitimeSat Mar 31 2018, 08:23

@HERO wrote:
So Trueborn..
I'm not sold on this I'm afraid..

Genuinely not sure myself, I was just citing an example from elsewhere that was similar. The other thing is that Lawrence from TTT used blasters on his Archon in his bat-rep, but obviously that's not reliable. I'm 90% we can use trueborn, as much like models that no longer exist in other codecies, we can take them but must use their base cost from the index. Not sure where we'll stand on this as far as competitive play is concerned.
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PostSubject: Re: TTT DE video   TTT DE video - Page 7 I_icon_minitimeSat Mar 31 2018, 08:32

How can you all whine on this?! We are simply broken now!!
Who cares about transports for our HQ's, A lot of Codexes still have this problem. Guys, these point drops are insane!!

Wow....why so much love for us?
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PostSubject: Re: TTT DE video   TTT DE video - Page 7 I_icon_minitimeSat Mar 31 2018, 08:32

@Trueborn44 wrote:
@HERO wrote:
So Trueborn..
I'm not sold on this I'm afraid..

Genuinely not sure myself, I was just citing an example from elsewhere that was similar. The other thing is that Lawrence from TTT used blasters on his Archon in his bat-rep, but obviously that's not reliable. I'm 90% we can use trueborn, as much like models that no longer exist in other codecies, we can take them but must use their base cost from the index. Not sure where we'll stand on this as far as competitive play is concerned.

11 points each sounds like a lot, but I think that a raider with 9 trueborn + Archon, with 4 Shredders and 2 Splinter Cannons, is going to be one hell of an anti-infantry escort.

Hell, cut it down to 7 and shove three of our useless HQs there! it keeps them off the streets.
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PostSubject: Re: TTT DE video   TTT DE video - Page 7 I_icon_minitimeSat Mar 31 2018, 08:35

This might help:
https://scontent-sjc3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/21432980_179128562726188_8753682668919632280_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=9c09ea63c2f4a8bf4c9a8a6484a77587&oe=5B3CCD38

According to this, I'm inclined to say yes to both the Archon w/ Blaster riddle and Trueborn w/ Blasters.

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PostSubject: Re: TTT DE video   TTT DE video - Page 7 I_icon_minitimeSat Mar 31 2018, 08:37

@Cerve wrote:
How can you all whine on this?! We are simply broken now!!
Who cares about transports for our HQ's, A lot of Codexes still have this problem. Guys, these point drops are insane!!

Wow....why so much love for us?

I agree. About to put a list up that's approx 2k based on the leaks and it feels strong tbh. I'd like to be able to take blasters on my Archons though. Less worried about Trueborn tbh.
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PostSubject: Re: TTT DE video   TTT DE video - Page 7 I_icon_minitimeSat Mar 31 2018, 08:37

@Cerve wrote:
How can you all whine on this?! We are simply broken now!!
Who cares about transports for our HQ's, A lot of Codexes still have this problem. Guys, these point drops are insane!!

Wow....why so much love for us?

There is little to love here. The real issues weren't fixed.

Honestly, not convinced on Splinter Cannons being cost effective even with the price cut. 10 points for the SC vs 12 for 2 warriors. Not a fantastic trade.

I started playing Dark Eldar to play a fast army of elite, well equipped sadists led by some of the scariest warriors in the setting.

What I am seeing here is a horde army with a few somewhat fast subfactions.

I am out. Sorry guys, but this stinks.
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PostSubject: Re: TTT DE video   TTT DE video - Page 7 I_icon_minitimeSat Mar 31 2018, 08:39

Weird how much Doom and gloom is in here.

Yes no trueborn sucks, but the change to blasters would probably make them too good. And take away scourges main roll in the army.

I people can't see that this book is good already then I don't know what to say to them.

On a side note. I am looking forward to having my archon/archons help my ravagers/flyers re roll 1s. And you don't have to mount everything. A lance raider with racks costs a little less than 10 kabalites with 2 blasters and a lance. You could basically run 10x10 kabalite units like this for about 1240pts. That gives you 30 darklight weapons and 70 rifles.
Take a doomseer and jinx warlock and you can do some damage with that. Maybe not crazy efficient, but it could get work done

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PostSubject: Re: TTT DE video   TTT DE video - Page 7 I_icon_minitimeSat Mar 31 2018, 08:40

@FuelDrop wrote:
@Cerve wrote:
How can you all whine on this?! We are simply broken now!!
Who cares about transports for our HQ's, A lot of Codexes still have this problem. Guys, these point drops are insane!!

Wow....why so much love for us?

There is little to love here. The real issues weren't fixed.

Honestly, not convinced on Splinter Cannons being cost effective even with the price cut. 10 points for the SC vs 12 for 2 warriors. Not a fantastic trade.

I started playing Dark Eldar to play a fast army of elite, well equipped sadists led by some of the scariest warriors in the setting.

What I am seeing here is a horde army with a few somewhat fast subfactions.

I am out. Sorry guys, but this stinks.

GW is for sure moving to horde play styles, and i dont understand why... it basically killed WHFB for that reason.


Tho i think the book is very good, it is a different army now for sure, i personally like 5th better, but i like DE so i will play our new good codex for sure.

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PostSubject: Re: TTT DE video   TTT DE video - Page 7 I_icon_minitimeSat Mar 31 2018, 08:42

Are you boys ready for the most beautiful list in the world?

Quote :
1999 - 7 CP

Flayed Skull Battalion - 6 CP

HQ:
Archon, Agonizer, Blaster = 91
Archon, Agonizer, Blaster = 91

TROOP:
5x Warriors, Blaster = 47
Venom = 65
112

5x Warriors, Blaster = 47
Venom = 65
112

5x Warriors, Blaster = 47
Venom = 65
112

10x Warriors, 2x Blaster, Dark Lance = 104
Raider, Splinter Racks, Dark Lance = 95
209

10x Warriors, 2x Blaster, Dark Lance = 104
Raider, Splinter Racks, Dark Lance = 95
209

ELITE:
5x Trueborn, 4x Blasters = 123
Raider, Dark Lance = 85
208

HEAVY:
Ravager, 3x Dark Lances = 140
Ravager, 3x Dark Lances = 140
Ravager, 3x Dark Lances = 140

+++

Flayed Skull Air Wing - 1 CP

FLYER:
Razorwing, 2x Dark Lances = 145
Razorwing, 2x Dark Lances = 145
Razorwing, 2x Dark Lances = 145

Was 2k, but was called out and is now ruined, using Trueborn from Index + new Blasters, and new Archons with Blaster entry from Index.

I can actually hear my avatar laughing.

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PostSubject: Re: TTT DE video   TTT DE video - Page 7 I_icon_minitimeSat Mar 31 2018, 08:48

I'm sorry you feel that way Fueldrop, but for me most of the gripes fall into the category of annoyances & hangups from the 5E codex, rather than actual problems for the competitiveness of the army as a whole. Yes I'd like it if the Succubus was better, or if the Archon could use transports more seamlessly. Yes it'd be nice if our Vehicles had the same movement range as Craftworld Eldar. However, the meat and bones of the army - our vehicles and troops - are deadly and priced very competitively across the board now. As long as we have that, we're competitive as an army.
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PostSubject: Re: TTT DE video   TTT DE video - Page 7 I_icon_minitimeSat Mar 31 2018, 08:52

@Dawnstone wrote:
I'm sorry you feel that way Fueldrop, but for me most of the gripes fall into the category of annoyances & hangups from the 5E codex, rather than actual problems for the competitiveness of the army as a whole. Yes I'd like it if the Succubus was better, or if the Archon could use transports more seamlessly. Yes it'd be nice if our Vehicles had the same movement range as Craftworld Eldar. However, the meat and bones of the army - our vehicles and troops - are deadly and priced very competitively across the board now. As long as we have that, we're competitive as an army.

Many of s started in 5th or feel in love with them in 5th. The 5th DE was a different army.


Image if we took away Bikes, Jump packs from Space Marines characters, and then took away combat squads and finally took away veterans and commander squads, the SM book will be completely different and you will have many players not liking it.

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PostSubject: Re: TTT DE video   TTT DE video - Page 7 I_icon_minitimeSat Mar 31 2018, 08:54

[quote="HERO"]Are you boys ready for the most beautiful list in the world?

Quote :
2000 - 7 CP

Flayed Skull Battalion - 6 CP

HQ:
Archon, Blaster = 87
Archon, Blaster = 87


Those archons need CC weapon which is at least 4pts each.
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PostSubject: Re: TTT DE video   TTT DE video - Page 7 I_icon_minitimeSat Mar 31 2018, 08:56

@Torapu wrote:
@HERO wrote:
Are you boys ready for the most beautiful list in the world?

Quote :
2000 - 7 CP

Flayed Skull Battalion - 6 CP

HQ:
Archon, Blaster = 87
Archon, Blaster = 87


Those archons need CC weapon which is at least 4pts each.

NOOOO MY PGL

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PostSubject: Re: TTT DE video   TTT DE video - Page 7 I_icon_minitimeSat Mar 31 2018, 09:11

@Bad-baden-baden wrote:
@HERO wrote:
Don't want to get lost on this too much, but if you read GW's words:
"Don’t worry though, you can still use all of these in your games if you have these older models."

We never got models for Trueborn.

RIP 2018

I don't know if I believe that's how it works? Seems like a wording technicality.

Late to the party so im behind a bit, but Yes this is how it works "now" (unless you are space marines, but even SM has had this happen to them).

GW had something like 380 copy write lawsuits against Chapter House (a 3rd party selling), GW actually lost the court case (well they won something like 120 out of 380).

Ever since then if GW doesnt have a Copywrite on a "model and art" or is unable to make a copy write of a "model from art" they will not make the model or rules for it (Remember they lost well over 1/2 the writes in that law suit).




About the video (the 2nd video)... 19pt REAVERS! (my dream was 18pts as i said many times Laughing  )
I think i will keep my HL's on mine just to keep them cheap.

Hellions are not useable still, sadly...... they REALLY needed to be 10pts or -1 to hit at 13-14pts (I'd rather the -1 to hit), 3rd option, free DSing

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PostSubject: Re: TTT DE video   TTT DE video - Page 7 I_icon_minitimeSat Mar 31 2018, 09:31

@HERO wrote:
Are you boys ready for the most beautiful list in the world?

Quote :
1999 - 7 CP

Flayed Skull Battalion - 6 CP

HQ:
Archon, Agonizer, Blaster = 91
Archon, Agonizer, Blaster = 91

TROOP:
5x Warriors, Blaster = 47
Venom = 65
112

5x Warriors, Blaster = 47
Venom = 65
112

5x Warriors, Blaster = 47
Venom = 65
112

10x Warriors, 2x Blaster, Dark Lance = 104
Raider, Splinter Racks, Dark Lance = 95
209

10x Warriors, 2x Blaster, Dark Lance = 104
Raider, Splinter Racks, Dark Lance = 95
209

ELITE:
5x Trueborn, 4x Blasters = 123
Raider, Dark Lance = 85
208

HEAVY:
Ravager, 3x Dark Lances = 140
Ravager, 3x Dark Lances = 140
Ravager, 3x Dark Lances = 140

+++

Flayed Skull Air Wing - 1 CP

FLYER:
Razorwing, 2x Dark Lances = 145
Razorwing, 2x Dark Lances = 145
Razorwing, 2x Dark Lances = 145

Was 2k, but was called out and is now ruined, using Trueborn from Index + new Blasters, and new Archons with Blaster entry from Index.

I can actually hear my avatar laughing.

Honestly, this is the exact kind of list that I didn't want to be thinking about with the Codex's release - I wanted to be thinking about ways to use all of those units that I haven't been using from the Index list. And for most of this week, it seemed like we'd be able to do that... contingent on our HQs being in a good spot.

That it sounds like they haven't fixed any of the fundamental issues with our HQs is incredibly disappointing. I'm still very excited but I can't deny that this feels like it's going to be a major drawback to the Dark Eldar.
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PostSubject: Re: TTT DE video   TTT DE video - Page 7 I_icon_minitimeSat Mar 31 2018, 09:40

Just threw together a list that revolves a little around CP farm and utilising the extra warlord traits as much as possible.

https://www.thedarkcity.net/t17233-absolute-napkin-math-2000-points

Not sure it's great, but it's a lot of stuff.
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PostSubject: Re: TTT DE video   TTT DE video - Page 7 I_icon_minitimeSat Mar 31 2018, 09:41

Been lurking and just keep an eye on the discussions and new leaks for the codex the past few weeks...

Even if we are still able to take trueborn, I am not sure if I would want to bother taking them anymore. Scourges and kabalite warriors both got a cost decrease which makes them seem a lot more appealing than paying the index costs for trueborn. Scourges and trueborn fulfill the same roll, losing trueborn isn't that big a deal since we have scourges as well. I am very interested in trying out haywire scourges again though, especially if 2 haywire blasters costs less than 1 blaster.

Dark eldar sounds like it will be ridiculously strong. We have so many tools at our disposal based on the information leaked. Just the black heart command point denial stratagem by itself is able to shut down one of the top meta lists (death guard zombie apocalypse lists). We also have a ton of ways to build our armies. Sure there will probably be some strategies or units that are more powerful and get played a ton but compared to a codex like adeptus mechanicus or grey knights for which competitive lists seem to always be the same thing over and over, it seems the sky is the limit for our options. I am just blown away by how good the codex seems so far.

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PostSubject: Re: TTT DE video   TTT DE video - Page 7 I_icon_minitimeSat Mar 31 2018, 09:45

@Sess wrote:
Been lurking and just keep an eye on the discussions and new leaks for the codex the past few weeks...

Even if we are still able to take trueborn, I am not sure if I would want to bother taking them anymore. Scourges and kabalite warriors both got a cost decrease which makes them seem a lot more appealing than paying the index costs for trueborn. Scourges and trueborn fulfill the same roll, losing trueborn isn't that big a deal since we have scourges as well. I am very interested in trying out haywire scourges again though, especially if 2 haywire blasters costs less than 1 blaster.

Dark eldar sounds like it will be ridiculously strong. We have so many tools at our disposal based on the information leaked. Just the black heart command point denial stratagem by itself is able to shut down one of the top meta lists (death guard zombie apocalypse lists). We also have a ton of ways to build our armies. Sure there will probably be some strategies or units that are more powerful and get played a ton but compared to a codex like adeptus mechanicus or grey knights for which competitive lists seem to always be the same thing over and over, it seems the sky is the limit for our options. I am just blown away by how good the codex seems so far.


yeah, i try to NOT use index's for codex (unless its a crazy different unit like how Tyranids has Warriors with Wings in the Index, i have 9 of those models so i will use them) but i try not to use Index units if i can.

About Haywire? I got you fam https://www.thedarkcity.net/t17234-new-haywire-math

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PostSubject: Re: TTT DE video   TTT DE video - Page 7 I_icon_minitimeSat Mar 31 2018, 09:51

You definitely can use Trueborn provided they look different to your Warriors to avoid confusion. I have a whole squad of them converted with my Elites colour scheme, different helmet and even Shardcarbines which shows how old they are. I have to count those as Splinter Rifles though.

The biggest pain will be figuring out how to distinguish my transports for each Patrol as they all follow the same colour scheme.
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PostSubject: Re: TTT DE video   TTT DE video - Page 7 I_icon_minitimeSat Mar 31 2018, 10:02

@Rikev wrote:
You definitely can use Trueborn provided they look different to your Warriors to avoid confusion. I have a whole squad of them converted with my Elites colour scheme, different helmet and even Shardcarbines which shows how old they are. I have to count those as Splinter Rifles though.

The biggest pain will be figuring out how to distinguish my transports for each Patrol as they all follow the same colour scheme.

Dont need to change colors, just use the Decals and mark a part of the vehicle.

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PostSubject: Re: TTT DE video   TTT DE video - Page 7 I_icon_minitimeSat Mar 31 2018, 10:10

HQs still have no mobility options. Not even as a relic.

I'm out.

Have fun with the new codex, guys.


(Also, this is why I don't listen to people who tell me that the codex is going to be great.)
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PostSubject: Re: TTT DE video   TTT DE video - Page 7 I_icon_minitimeSat Mar 31 2018, 10:19

@The Shredder wrote:
HQs still have no mobility options. Not even as a relic.

I'm out.

Have fun with the new codex, guys.


(Also, this is why I don't listen to people who tell me that the codex is going to be great.)

bye... now let us have fun


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PostSubject: Re: TTT DE video   TTT DE video - Page 7 I_icon_minitimeSat Mar 31 2018, 10:21

@The Shredder wrote:
HQs still have no mobility options. Not even as a relic.

I'm out.

Have fun with the new codex, guys.


(Also, this is why I don't listen to people who tell me that the codex is going to be great.)



While i fully understand you frustration and i agree to a point, this doesnt mean the codex isnt "good".


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@amishprn86 wrote:

While i fully understand you frustration and i agree to a point, this doesnt mean the codex isnt "good".

Do you not consider that at all subjective?
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PostSubject: Re: TTT DE video   TTT DE video - Page 7 I_icon_minitimeSat Mar 31 2018, 10:25

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@amishprn86 wrote:

While i fully understand you frustration and i agree to a point, this doesnt mean the codex isnt "good".

Do you not consider that at all subjective?

"good" in the form of winning tongue

I said i understand, b.c i feel the same way for a lot of it, but b.c i dont like it doesnt mean in general it isnt good.

I would MUCH rather have had better HQ options, 6 slot Venoms, and Hard hitting Reavers.

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