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Mppqlmd Incubi

Posts : 1844 Join date : 2017-07-05
 | Subject: Rerolls on a Roll-Off Mon Jan 22 2018, 21:47 | |
| Here is a rule question :
The Roll Off rule says that if a Roll-Off is tied, you have to reroll it, and this can be done even if the dice were rerolled before, hence becoming the only scenario where you can reroll a previously rerolled die.
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Can you use a command point to reroll a roll-off that has been rerolled for "tied results" reasons ?
Exemple : T'au rolls a 4, Ork rolls a 4. They reroll : T'au rolls a 4, Ork rolls a 1. Can Ork spend a CP to reroll it ? | |
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amishprn86 Archon

Posts : 4313 Join date : 2014-10-04 Location : Ohio
 | Subject: Re: Rerolls on a Roll-Off Mon Jan 22 2018, 21:54 | |
| They faq'ed it in CA that you can never use CP to re-roll missions, seizes, deployment type, game turn, etc...
Pre-faq i did see a game where it was the relic and the guy won because he re-roll the game turn (it says who roles game end turn dice) and b.c he re-rolled it the game went on another turn and won, Due to the changes we cant do that anymore, but it was cool while it lasted. _________________ New to Blogging, just starting https://maddpaint.blogspot.com/
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dumpeal Hekatrix

Posts : 1221 Join date : 2015-02-13 Location : Québec
 | Subject: Re: Rerolls on a Roll-Off Mon Jan 22 2018, 22:04 | |
| - @amishprn86 wrote:
- They faq'ed it in CA that you can never use CP to re-roll missions, seizes, deployment type, game turn, etc...
But a withdraw is not a game setting, like mission, seizes, deployment... | |
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amishprn86 Archon

Posts : 4313 Join date : 2014-10-04 Location : Ohio
 | Subject: Re: Rerolls on a Roll-Off Mon Jan 22 2018, 22:14 | |
| - @dumpeal wrote:
- @amishprn86 wrote:
- They faq'ed it in CA that you can never use CP to re-roll missions, seizes, deployment type, game turn, etc...
But a withdraw is not a game setting, like mission, seizes, deployment... What are you talking about? I dont understand, no offense, whats a withdraw? But i think i understand what you mean? He is saying b.c the rule let syou re-roll re-roll why would a CP re-roll follow the rules for that sinario? I just miss understood it at first (my reading is acting up really bad today) _________________ New to Blogging, just starting https://maddpaint.blogspot.com/
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dumpeal Hekatrix

Posts : 1221 Join date : 2015-02-13 Location : Québec
 | Subject: Re: Rerolls on a Roll-Off Mon Jan 22 2018, 22:34 | |
| - @amishprn86 wrote:
- @dumpeal wrote:
- @amishprn86 wrote:
- They faq'ed it in CA that you can never use CP to re-roll missions, seizes, deployment type, game turn, etc...
But a withdraw is not a game setting, like mission, seizes, deployment... What are you talking about? I dont understand, no offense, whats a withdraw?
But i think i understand what you mean? He is saying b.c the rule let syou re-roll re-roll why would a CP re-roll follow the rules for that sinario?
I just miss understood it at first (my reading is acting up really bad today) Sorry, I can never remember the "no escape" name. | |
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SushiBoy013 Sybarite

Posts : 254 Join date : 2017-10-23
 | Subject: Re: Rerolls on a Roll-Off Tue Jan 23 2018, 00:08 | |
| I imagine the answer is both Yes and No.
No to a CP use on a re-roll if it occurs during the setup period.
Yes if the re-roll occurs any other time during the game _________________ Kabal of the Killing Moon
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Aschen Sybarite

Posts : 266 Join date : 2013-01-06
 | Subject: Re: Rerolls on a Roll-Off Tue Jan 23 2018, 00:46 | |
| I see what he's saying. If you tie during the roll off for "no escape", so have to 'reroll', can you then use a command point to reroll that dice.
Its a difficult one. I thought it'd be easy because I thought the roll off rule would just have you 'rolling off again' during a tie. Reading the rules though, it clearly states "this is the only players can reroll a reroll. Since it clearly states its the only time a reroll can be rerolled, I'd say no. It doesnt allow a reroll if you've already tied once and rerolled. So if you are going to reroll, I'd reroll the first tie.. | |
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|Meavar Hekatrix

Posts : 1041 Join date : 2017-01-26
 | Subject: Re: Rerolls on a Roll-Off Tue Jan 23 2018, 07:53 | |
| - @Aschen wrote:
- I see what he's saying. If you tie during the roll off for "no escape", so have to 'reroll', can you then use a command point to reroll that dice.
Its a difficult one. I thought it'd be easy because I thought the roll off rule would just have you 'rolling off again' during a tie. Reading the rules though, it clearly states "this is the only players can reroll a reroll. Since it clearly states its the only time a reroll can be rerolled, I'd say no. It doesnt allow a reroll if you've already tied once and rerolled. So if you are going to reroll, I'd reroll the first tie.. Depends, if you both rolled a 4+ it is a better gamble to not use the command reroll if you both rolled a 3- you have better chances with a command reroll | |
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FuelDrop Hekatrix

Posts : 1392 Join date : 2015-06-21
 | Subject: Re: Rerolls on a Roll-Off Tue Jan 23 2018, 07:58 | |
| You know a cool mechanic to make Shardnets awesome without just being a boring +1? For Each Shardnet roll an extra Die. Your Opponent must beat all of them with their roll to escape. | |
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Barrywise Wych

Posts : 621 Join date : 2012-11-14 Location : Illinois
 | Subject: Re: Rerolls on a Roll-Off Tue Jan 23 2018, 08:25 | |
| or choose the highest/lowest
That being said, going back to the gladiators who used a net and spear as weapons, they were meant to impair the movements and attacks of the enemy. With multi-attack models being very prevalent this edition, I see no reason that it shouldn't lower at least 1 infantry model's attacks by 1. _________________ Want to chat in real time with your fellow archons? Join our Discord channel -> https://discord.gg/5yhRP7v
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yellabelly Sybarite

Posts : 344 Join date : 2017-11-16
 | Subject: Re: Rerolls on a Roll-Off Tue Jan 23 2018, 15:37 | |
| Just a question on the roll-off for "No Escape", would it ever need re-rolling? The rule says the opposing player must WIN the roll off. A draw would mean they fail to withdraw, as they haven't won the roll off. It's not like first turn where you have to re roll because you need a winner. _________________ Do you fight for the Dark Gods? The Drukhari gave birth to one of them. By partying.
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Mppqlmd Incubi

Posts : 1844 Join date : 2017-07-05
 | Subject: Re: Rerolls on a Roll-Off Tue Jan 23 2018, 16:04 | |
| - @yellabelly wrote:
- Just a question on the roll-off for "No Escape", would it ever need re-rolling? The rule says the opposing player must WIN the roll off. A draw would mean they fail to withdraw, as they haven't won the roll off. It's not like first turn where you have to re roll because you need a winner.
There can be no draw in a roll-off. So yeah, it's rerolled. We have discussed this a lot when the index came out ^^ Concerning my question, i think the most RAW application would be that you can spend a CP to reroll a No Escape die, but only if no tie has occured before (otherwise you'd be spending a CP to reroll a die that has already been rerolled, and that's forbidden). But it's definitly a strange spot in the rules. | |
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yellabelly Sybarite

Posts : 344 Join date : 2017-11-16
 | Subject: Re: Rerolls on a Roll-Off Tue Jan 23 2018, 16:13 | |
| Ah OK thanks, I wasn't playing DE at the time 8th dropped, so I missed those discussions! _________________ Do you fight for the Dark Gods? The Drukhari gave birth to one of them. By partying.
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LordSplata Sybarite

Posts : 285 Join date : 2017-06-14 Location : Sydney
 | Subject: Re: Rerolls on a Roll-Off Thu Jan 25 2018, 08:58 | |
| How about this scenario, you both roll, it is a tie, you both rolled ones. Burn a CP to reroll your die.
Legal? | |
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Count Adhemar Dark Lord of Granbretan

Posts : 7333 Join date : 2012-04-26 Location : London
 | Subject: Re: Rerolls on a Roll-Off Thu Jan 25 2018, 09:32 | |
| I don't see why not. _________________ You have been weighed, you have been measured, and you have been found wanting. In what world could you possibly beat me? | |
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Ikol Wych

Posts : 571 Join date : 2017-03-20 Location : Perth
 | Subject: Re: Rerolls on a Roll-Off Mon Jan 29 2018, 11:27 | |
| - @LordSplata wrote:
- How about this scenario, you both roll, it is a tie, you both rolled ones. Burn a CP to reroll your die.
Legal? So long as it occurs before the tie-triggered-re-roll, sure. _________________ This world exists because of the things we have done, forever branching to the decisions we make and twisting to what we do not.
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