Myrvn Wych

Posts : 500 Join date : 2012-08-05
 | Subject: Help with MSU list (outside my normal way of doing things) Wed Jul 27 2016, 00:23 | |
| I'm attempting to make an 1850 MSU list that takes into consideration quite a few of the comments on the board. Any comments and suggests are welcome.
Meta here is primarily Maelstrom. Quite a mixed bag of players, with relatively low number of marine players. I typically run the supremacy cards with a large amount of objective grabbing requirements.
The general thought was MSU objective grabbers with balanced Anti-Tank/Anti-Infantry.
DE CAD
Archon /w WWP and Blaster (attaches to Fire Dragons below)
5x Warriors /w Venom 2x Cannon 5x Warriors /w Venom 2x Cannon 5x Warriors /w Raider Dark Lance 5x Warriors /w Raider Dark Lance 5x Wyches /w Raider Disintegrator 5x Wyches /w Raider Disintegrator
5x Mandrakes 3x Grotesques (Spiritseer [below] joints them)
3x Reavers /w Caltrop 3x Reavers /w Caltrop 3x Reavers /w Caltrop
Ravager /w 3 Dark Lances Ravager /w 3 Disintegrators
Craftworld Allied Detachment
Spiritseer (hangs out with Grotesques somewhere in my deployment zone) 3x Windriders /w 3x Scatter Lasers
Aspect Host 6x Striking Scorpions - Boss /w Claw 6x Fire Dragons - Boss (deploys through WWP) 3x Dark Reapers - Boss
Grotesques were a last minute addition as I had around 100 points to fill out. Spiritseer could be swapped for an Autarch (Fusion Blaster or plain). I could also include a Farseer on foot. I could drop the Grotesques, 1 Scorpion, and 1 Fire Dragon to free up quite a few points.
Other models that could be included: 2x DE bombers 2x DE fighters pretty much any character Incubi Wracks Dire Avengers 1x Wave Serpent Wraithknight Wyches, Warriors, and Mandrakes could be fleshed out with numbers and special weapons. | |
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Gobsmakked Rumour Scourge

Posts : 3274 Join date : 2011-05-14 Location : Vancouver, BC
 | Subject: Re: Help with MSU list (outside my normal way of doing things) Wed Jul 27 2016, 05:25 | |
| It seems to me, Myrvn, this is an attempt at a take-all-comers list, which I find do not work due to lack of focus. For example, why are you including 5 Mandrakes? Don't get me wrong, I use Mandrakes myself, but I don't see what you hope to achieve with one squad of 5.
I am not sue why you are taking Wyches, either? Especially with Striking Scorpions elsewhere. Their boats might be handy for objective grabbing, but I doubt that they will last very long, or do much damage.
A second squad of Windriders? Another dual-cannon Venom? These would give you more punch, I think.
I find that a Talos or two in the backfield are good for sitting on objectives and making your opponent think twice. They are quite durable.
Just a few thoughts. | |
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Myrvn Wych

Posts : 500 Join date : 2012-08-05
 | Subject: Re: Help with MSU list (outside my normal way of doing things) Wed Jul 27 2016, 17:30 | |
| A lot of the specifics are due to what models I have... :-/ but I'm willing to expand if necessary. It is a take all comers. And I agree I have no theme. Which is why I need the assistance :-)
With the rough basics of this list, what would you focus on for a theme to flesh out?
I've been meaning to buy another Windrider squad and Venom. It hasn't happened yet. If I did run another Windrider squad I'd be curious on scatter lasers or straight up objective grabbing.
Mandrakes... Would you just go with 3x? A larger squad? Drop them entirely? 5x seemed like a happy medium for durability and usefulness. I have used a squad of 8 in the past with good results. Two squads of 3x? A lot of local meta is Xenos, so AP4 is very good.
Wyches - I ran outrof warrior squads. I have 3x full squads of wyches waiting for a supplement or new codex... They were mostly to fill space for the MSU approach. If this list works out a bit I may buy a few more boxes of warriors. Unfortunately all the squads are painted with different squad markings, so it is difficult to just use other models for a squad (other than proxy play testing).
Would the Grotesques fill the role of a Talos in the backfield? I have a Talos mostly painted that I could drop in. My Cronos needs a bit more pinning to complete. Otherwisei could swing a Dark Artisan. But I'd need to drop quite a few points and it didn't seem to fit the MSU theme. | |
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