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PostSubject: 1500 Pure DE reavers   1500 Pure DE reavers I_icon_minitimeWed Jul 22 2015, 08:13

HQ

Archon, Venom SC
Archon court 2 leahean, 1 ur-gurl
Troops

5x Kabalite Warrior, Venom, SC
5x Kabalite Warrior, Venom, SC

Fast Attack
9x Reaver, 3x CC, 3x Blaster
6x Reaver, 2x CC, 2x Blaster
6x Reaver, 2x CC, 2x Blaster
6x Reaver, 2x CC, 2x Blaster
6x Reaver, 2x CC, 2x Blaster
6x Reaver, 2x CC, 2x Blaster

Heavy Support
Voidraven Bomber, Two void lances

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So does this even stand a chance? (Yes I know very cash expensive)

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PostSubject: Re: 1500 Pure DE reavers   1500 Pure DE reavers I_icon_minitimeWed Jul 22 2015, 09:29

If you really want to make this work, switch the 9 kabalite warrior unit out for a 5man SC venom.
Use a lhamean instead of a Haemonculus and put her in another SC venom. That way your anti-infantry is mostly filled.

Throw out the grav talons for cluster caltrops, now your reavers can crack av12.

You don't really need a warlord trait but if you do want one just upgrade one of your dudes into a character.

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PostSubject: Re: 1500 Pure DE reavers   1500 Pure DE reavers I_icon_minitimeWed Jul 22 2015, 12:50

How can you take a Lheamean as a Warlord? They are add ons to an archon? Or am I missing something? Yes I do want to make this work, I think It would be fun as heck to play.

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PostSubject: Re: 1500 Pure DE reavers   1500 Pure DE reavers I_icon_minitimeWed Jul 22 2015, 13:50

@ravengoescaw wrote:
How can you take a Lheamean as a Warlord? They are add ons to an archon? Or am I missing something? Yes I do want to make this work, I think It would be fun as heck to play.

You can take a Court of the Archon as a HQ choice. And there's no minimum reqirements within the unit. So the single cheapest model you can take is a Lhamean. Take one and that qualifies for your 1 HQ mandatory slot. People take it because a.) it's legal and b.) DE HQ's are too expensive/weak so unless you have a specific strategy in mine (WWP's or AoM for Freakshow) you don't want/need them. Save your points.

The Void Raven in this list looks terribly vulnerable. It's gonna die fast because the bomb and lances are scary and you have no aerial support for it. It's also way expensive for what it does, probably only worth taking against heavy mech lists. This isn't a really competitive list so I'd just drop it.

I'd also swap out your Kabalites for Wyches and your Archon for a Succubus because why not just go the whole hog and give everything combat drugs! Your Kabalites are going to shoot much with 5 rifles each but a couple of Wych squads could help to hold up and pin down some targets whilst your jetbikes zip around. Or throw them and the Succy at anything too strong in combat for your Reavers to engage.

I'd also swap some of the blasters for heat lances just incase you really need to crack some armour fast.
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PostSubject: Re: 1500 Pure DE reavers   1500 Pure DE reavers I_icon_minitimeWed Jul 22 2015, 15:05

I totally disagree with the wyches. The sole purpose of wyches in this edition is to make a nice shelf to look at.

I would drop the court and the voidraven bomber, for few grotesques. Change the archon for a succubus with archite glaive, put her with the grots and you'll have a nice assault unit.
(Either that or more kabalite venoms, since you already have a lot of assault, with the reavers).

If you can, I would drop a few blasters in the reavers squads and try to get a ravager. Reavers are intended to turboboost and jink, so blasters aren't very efficient.

I'm at work, so, I don't have my codex with me for points calculation.
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PostSubject: Re: 1500 Pure DE reavers   1500 Pure DE reavers I_icon_minitimeWed Jul 22 2015, 19:09

@dumpeal wrote:
I totally disagree with the wyches. The sole purpose of wyches in this edition is to make a nice shelf to look at.

Best use of them is to convert them into something else! I got 15 that I'm trying to decide what to do with. For sure though they won't be Wyches!
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PostSubject: Re: 1500 Pure DE reavers   1500 Pure DE reavers I_icon_minitimeWed Jul 22 2015, 19:31

Never tried a full bike army with DE but I can tell you from playing ravenwing this army will take up a lot of space on the board.

I go back and forth on special weapons or not. In this type of list I think they are probably worth the extra points vs buying dedicated units but be aware you won't be using them much. Does give the option to pop transports and assault the contents though which can be huge. I'd maybe consider trimming them back to a few dedicated units instead of all units.

Also one of the problems you'll encounter from time to time is morale. Falling back 3d6 will see your units off the board turn 1 and any savvy opponent will key in on this and try to force as many tests as possible. I've lost a rerollable Ld 10 beast pack that way more than once before I got wise and added fearless. Anway I'd highly recommend investing in arena champs or at least some key grisly trophies to mitigate this. Probably both.

The other is cover ignoring armies which will probably crush you rock/paper/scissors style. I'm talking things like decurion tomb blade spam and similar. If you don't have much potential to see these then this army should be pretty strong I'd think.

Your HQs and flyer really have poor synergy with this list though, IMO. The HQs because they are really just dead weight atm. As suggested something a little more beefy like grots or sslyth *might* be better. Or else cheap and deadly like deep striking medusae(s) in raiders to fill compulsory.

The flyer similarly because this type of 'blitz' style list really doesn't care much about opposing flyers. Like at all. In fact its a nightmare for flyers. Most can't get through 3++ jink in any meanful way and you can force crashes like no other, hide in combat, or simply move underneath their arrival.
What this list does want is to bring its full weight to bear asap. Flyers go against that for no real gain in damage output.

Losing these two elements would allow you to increase your venom count increasing your ranged presence and or put some bigger guns down like say disi ravagers. A couple of these plus say a medusae HQ would be the thing that makes marines cry mama, or well test tube anyway. Downside is this puts the heavy lifting vs mech solely on the bikes but currently its there anyway and mech isn't in the best spot these days.

Anyway just some friendly ideas.
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PostSubject: Re: 1500 Pure DE reavers   1500 Pure DE reavers I_icon_minitimeWed Jul 22 2015, 21:47

Okay Dropping the flyer. So here is the revamp, also with a little help for that leadership problem.



HQ
Court of the Archon, Leahmean, Venom, Grisly Trophies
Troops
5x Kabalite Warrior, Venom, Grisly Trophies, Splinter Cannon
5x Kabalite Warrior,Venom, Grisly Trophies, Splinter Cannon

Fast Attack
9x Reaver, 3x Cluster caltrops, 3x HL, Arena Champion
9x Reaver, 3x Cluster caltrops, 3x HL, Arena Champion
7x Reaver, 2x Cluster caltrops, 2x HL, Arena Champion
9x Reaver, 3x Cluster caltrops, 3x Blaster, Arena Champion
7x Reaver, 2x Cluster caltrops, 2x Blaster, Arena Champion
7x Reaver, 2x Cluster caltrops, 2x Blaster, Arena Champion

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PostSubject: Re: 1500 Pure DE reavers   1500 Pure DE reavers I_icon_minitimeWed Jul 22 2015, 21:49

@Demantiae wrote:
@dumpeal wrote:
I totally disagree with the wyches. The sole purpose of wyches in this edition is to make a nice shelf to look at.

Best use of them is to convert them into something else! I got 15 that I'm trying to decide what to do with. For sure though they won't be Wyches!

My wyches are torsos for my reavers

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PostSubject: Re: 1500 Pure DE reavers   1500 Pure DE reavers I_icon_minitimeWed Jul 22 2015, 22:47

I'm going to convert them to lhamean (?) and Medusa.
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PostSubject: Re: 1500 Pure DE reavers   1500 Pure DE reavers I_icon_minitimeThu Jul 23 2015, 08:23

Since you are throwing out the bomber, consider taking a grotesque (abberation) as your warlord, put him in another venom. Now you've got our only T5 non-mc character as a warlord.

If you want to go super-super bike heavy, take another combined arms detachment, dump a lhamean hq in with 2x5 man venom squads or even better, leave them naked in ruins. Then take another 3 units of 6man bikes.

Consider dropping the trophies and making all the reavers be in 6 man squads, dropping all but one of the squad leaders (he can be part of a 6man squad)
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PostSubject: Re: 1500 Pure DE reavers   1500 Pure DE reavers I_icon_minitimeThu Jul 23 2015, 14:01

Grotesques is a minimum squad of 3 and are Bulky so they cant fit in a Venom.

I am actually doing some similar however I am taking 2 CADs Dark Eldar and Eldar. With a couple of Fliers.

Similar to yours except I have less DE Bikes and add a bunch of Eldar Bikes. Use an Autarch as my commander with Banshe Mask in my Large squad of DE Bikes so they cant be overwatched. Throw in 3 fliers to deal with Vehicles and other fliers.
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PostSubject: Re: 1500 Pure DE reavers   1500 Pure DE reavers I_icon_minitimeThu Jul 23 2015, 20:42

@iknowinewb Even dropping the leaders and the venoms, the 2 troop and hq tax takes away bikes, and without the venoms no deep striking troops to objectives.

@mrmagoo You are ding it the smarter way. I just can't get over my haterd of eldar, I might finally try them for bikes if this list truns out to be an auto lose.

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