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sweetbacon
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PostSubject: 3 x Talos vs 3 x DL Ravagers    3 x Talos vs 3 x DL Ravagers I_icon_minitimeSat May 23 2015, 18:45

I've got 375 points in my list I don't know what to do with.  It's come down to two choices:  a squad of three Talos or three DL Ravagers.  The plan is to give the Talos either HWB or HL so they have some AT shooting and Outflank them.  

Talos Pros
Demands immediate attention from opponent when Outflanking
Threat in both shooting and assault phases
Don't need to Jink to survive
Get 3+/5+FNP
Can use movement to spread wounds around the squad
Forces opponent to deploy away from table edges

Talos Cons
Shooting is short range
Dependent on Reserve and Outflank side rolls
Slow

Ravager Pros
Threat from Turn One
Long range AT
Can move much faster than Talos
9 x DL shots likely to do more vehicle damage than 3 x Talos shots
Opponent has to shoot at three different units as opposed to one

Ravager Cons
Probably one turn of shooting at full BS if Jinking
4+ Jink not that reilable
Only a threat in the shooting phase
AV 11 not that hard to take down so Jinking could be necessary to survive
Can  (usually) be safely ignored if Jinking

I'm sure I left out some for each category, but I wanted opinions on which one would be more effective.  For added context, the rest of my list has DA, HWB CtC, and six Venoms (1 x FA slot) with 1 x Lhamean and 4 x Warrior squads.
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PostSubject: Re: 3 x Talos vs 3 x DL Ravagers    3 x Talos vs 3 x DL Ravagers I_icon_minitimeSat May 23 2015, 20:36

How exactly are you outflanking the talos with any reliability?
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PostSubject: Re: 3 x Talos vs 3 x DL Ravagers    3 x Talos vs 3 x DL Ravagers I_icon_minitimeSat May 23 2015, 21:36

I think I listed this under the Talos Cons, in that I don't have reliable reserve manipulation built into my list as it currently stands.  Hence, I'm at the mercy of regular reserve rolls for when they come in.

Edit: Oh, my bad. I forgot that only the Talos in the CtC have Scout and not regular codex Talos.
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PostSubject: Re: 3 x Talos vs 3 x DL Ravagers    3 x Talos vs 3 x DL Ravagers I_icon_minitimeSat May 23 2015, 22:12

Yeah I'm pretty sure only warlord traits can get regular Talos outflank (for now anyway). Do you still see lots of vehicles around you? They're becoming less and less common at my store (esp. with the serpent nerf)
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PostSubject: Re: 3 x Talos vs 3 x DL Ravagers    3 x Talos vs 3 x DL Ravagers I_icon_minitimeSat May 23 2015, 23:28

I have a regular opponent who plays (6th edition) Eldar and 7th edition Space Wolves, so I see lots of vehicles when I play the Eldar. Not so much with the Space Wolves, other than Drop Pods and the occasional Dreadnought.
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PostSubject: Re: 3 x Talos vs 3 x DL Ravagers    3 x Talos vs 3 x DL Ravagers I_icon_minitimeMon May 25 2015, 03:20

Once your buddy switches to 7th Ed. Eldar and swaps out all of his Serpents for scatter bikes, I think you'll appreciate the increased durability of the talos. I'd probably leave their guns stock too, even though you've got venoms since Scatterbikes vs. Venoms is a losing battle for us
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