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Finn
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PostSubject: 1,5k team tournament   1,5k team tournament I_icon_minitimeWed Mar 25 2015, 19:56

I'm going to a tournament on Saturday and I'm taking 1500 points of my Dark Eldar with me. One of my friends is going to field CSM and the second one, also a CSM player, decided to borrow my Craftworlders and support them with an Imperial Knight (not my idea, yuck!), as we are not able to double up on armies. The tournament is objective heavy and kill points are not really an issue. Because my current meta is all about uber-expensive invisible deathstars at the moment, I'm going for a true pirate raid and this is what I came up with:

HQ1: Archon, Haywire Grenades [65] [transport1]
Elite1: 5 Wracks [50] [transport2]
Troop1: 5 Kabalite Warriors, Blaster [55] [transport3]
Troop2: 5 Kabalite Warriors, Blaster [55] [transport4]
Troop3: 5 Kabalite Warriors, Blaster [55] [transport5]
Troop4: 5 Kabalite Warriors, Blaster [55] [transport6]
Troop5: 5 Kabalite Warriors, Blaster [55] [transport7]
Troop6: 5 Kabalite Warriors, Blaster [55] [transport8]
FA1: 3 Reaver Jetbikes, Heat Lance, Cluster Caltrops [73]
FA2: 3 Reaver Jetbikes, Heat Lance, Cluster Caltrops [73]
FA3: 3 Reaver Jetbikes, Heat Lance, Cluster Caltrops [73]
FA4: 3 Reaver Jetbikes, Heat Lance, Cluster Caltrops [73]
FA5: 5 Scourges, 4x Haywire Blaster [120]
FA6: 5 Scourges, 4x Haywire Blaster [120]
Transport1: Venom, Splinter Cannon [65] [HQ1]
Transport2: Venom, Splinter Cannon [65] [Elite1]
Transport3: Venom, Splinter Cannon [65] [Troop1]
Transport4: Venom, Splinter Cannon [65] [Troop2]
Transport5: Venom, Splinter Cannon [65] [Troop3]
Transport6: Venom, Splinter Cannon [65] [Troop4]
Transport7: Venom, Splinter Cannon [65] [Troop5]
Transport8: Venom, Splinter Cannon [65] [Troop6]

After the event I'll post a short summary how it performed.

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PostSubject: Re: 1,5k team tournament   1,5k team tournament I_icon_minitimeWed Mar 25 2015, 20:45

Why wracks?
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PostSubject: Re: 1,5k team tournament   1,5k team tournament I_icon_minitimeWed Mar 25 2015, 20:46

Because it's the cheapest way of squeezing in an additional Venom Wink

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PostSubject: Re: 1,5k team tournament   1,5k team tournament I_icon_minitimeSun Mar 29 2015, 12:45

Ok, so I'm pretty happy with such an approach, even though I lost 2 of 3 games.

1. The first game was against Eldar + Dark Eldar. I had the option to play safe and get a draw at best or go fully aggressive and win big or loose big. The idea was to take out his 3 Wave Serpents ASAP with a concentrated blow from my full force. Apart from WSs, my opponent had little means of hurting me at all. The plan failed miserably and it all went south from there on.

2. Silly list: huge invisible seercouncil + a big unit of invisible, veiled harlequins. Very psychic heavy. This game I won quite easily (almost tabled them) even though my opponent, how to say that, "interpreted rules in his own favour" a lot. I was winning anyway and not in the mood, so I just ignored that.

3. Chaos with maulerfiends and jinking bikes with shrounding. Lost 0:20, but it wasn't my list's fault, it was mine. I made a huge mistake T4 (forgot a basic, basic rule) and it cost me the game. I must admit that this game was most fun of them all and my opponent was a great guy. I'd even give him bonus points for friendliness and positive attitude.

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PostSubject: Re: 1,5k team tournament   1,5k team tournament I_icon_minitimeSun Mar 29 2015, 13:16

@Finn wrote:
Because it's the cheapest way of squeezing in an additional Venom Wink

No its not, a warrior troop is 40pt compare to 50pts and Fast Attack they are free. Also Courts can take there own too, you can take an Archon with a Venom then take a Lhamaean with a Venom too.

If the tournament lets 2 FoCs (some do, and many allow allies with it). Then just take 2 Raiders Realspaces FoC use the 6 Fast Attack slots to get extra Venoms/raiders if you really need them.


@Finn wrote:
Ok, so I'm pretty happy with such an approach, even though I lost 2 of 3 games.

1. The first game was against Eldar + Dark Eldar. I had the option to play safe and get a draw at best or go fully aggressive and win big or loose big. The idea was to take out his 3 Wave Serpents ASAP with a concentrated blow from my full force. Apart from WSs, my opponent had little means of hurting me at all. The plan failed miserably and it all went south from there on.

2. Silly list: huge invisible seercouncil + a big unit of invisible, veiled harlequins. Very psychic heavy. This game I won quite easily (almost tabled them) even though my opponent, how to say that, "interpreted rules in his own favour" a lot. I was winning anyway and not in the mood, so I just ignored that.

3. Chaos with maulerfiends and jinking bikes with shrounding. Lost 0:20, but it wasn't my list's fault, it was mine. I made a huge mistake T4 (forgot a basic, basic rule) and it cost me the game. I must admit that this game was most fun of them all and my opponent was a great guy. I'd even give him bonus points for friendliness and positive attitude.

It will take 6 Glances/Pens (s8 vs av12) but with a 4+ jink (another 50% that will take 12 Dark Lances to pop 1 Wave Serpent).

Believe it or not Dark lances arnt that good as AT.

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PostSubject: Re: 1,5k team tournament   1,5k team tournament I_icon_minitimeSun Mar 29 2015, 13:32

@amishprn86 wrote:
No its not, a warrior troop is 40pt compare to 50pts and Fast Attack they are free. Also Courts can take there own too, you can take an Archon with a Venom then take a Lhamaean with a Venom too.
All my Troop and FA were filled. I don't have a lhamean, so it wasn't an option.
@amishprn86 wrote:
It will take 6 Glances/Pens  (s8 vs av12) but with a 4+ jink (another 50% that will take 12 Dark Lances to pop 1 Wave Serpent).

Believe it or not Dark lances arnt that good as AT.
I know. Of course I did not expect to pop 3 Serpents with the initial blow. My goal was to force them all to jink and pop at least one. Statistically it should have happend. On the next turn I would be able to reliably pop the second one. Next turn the third Serpent goes down and I can proceed to hunt down the rest of his army.

None of the above happened, apart from forcing jink. When your opponent keeps rolling buckets of 6's, snapshooting doesn't hurt him that much. And failing each and every save on Reavers did not help at all Smile

I'm not complaining - the game is random and I know it. But, even keeping that in mind, I'll always support planning and tactics based on mathematical probability.

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PostSubject: Re: 1,5k team tournament   1,5k team tournament I_icon_minitimeTue Mar 31 2015, 07:19

I've made minor tweaks to the list:

HQ1: Archon, Blaster, The Armour of Misery [90] [transport1]
HQ2: Sslyth [25] [transport2]
Troop1: 5 Kabalite Warriors, Blaster [55] [transport3]
Troop2: 5 Kabalite Warriors, Blaster [55] [transport4]
Troop3: 5 Kabalite Warriors, Blaster [55] [transport5]
Troop4: 5 Kabalite Warriors, Blaster [55] [transport6]
Troop5: 5 Kabalite Warriors, Blaster [55] [transport7]
Troop6: 5 Kabalite Warriors, Blaster [55] [transport8]
FA1: 3 Reaver Jetbikes, Heat Lance, Cluster Caltrops [73]
FA2: 3 Reaver Jetbikes, Heat Lance, Cluster Caltrops [73]
FA3: 3 Reaver Jetbikes, Heat Lance, Cluster Caltrops [73]
FA4: 3 Reaver Jetbikes, Heat Lance, Cluster Caltrops [73]
FA5: 5 Scourges, 4x Haywire Blaster [120]
FA6: 5 Scourges, 4x Haywire Blaster [120]
Transport1: Venom, Splinter Cannon [65] [HQ1]
Transport2: Venom, Splinter Cannon [65] [HQ2]
Transport3: Venom, Splinter Cannon [65] [Troop1]
Transport4: Venom, Splinter Cannon [65] [Troop2]
Transport5: Venom, Splinter Cannon [65] [Troop3]
Transport6: Venom, Splinter Cannon [65] [Troop4]
Transport7: Venom, Splinter Cannon [65] [Troop5]
Transport8: Venom, Splinter Cannon [65] [Troop6]

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