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PostSubject: Succubus Conversion   Succubus Conversion I_icon_minitimeSat Jan 03 2015, 20:18

Just a quick Succubus Conversion I thought I'd share:

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In case anyone is interested, she's made from Wych bits and a Hellion Hellglaive.

I was pretty pleased with how the splinter pistol turned out.
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PostSubject: Re: Succubus Conversion   Succubus Conversion I_icon_minitimeSat Jan 03 2015, 20:33

First time I've seen a male Succubus. Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Succubus Conversion   Succubus Conversion I_icon_minitimeSat Jan 03 2015, 20:41

@Rokuro wrote:
First time I've seen a male Succubus. Very Happy

Shocked

I hadn't actually noticed that. I was trying to find the one that most resembled the succubus one, and I must have been looking at the midriff rather than the chest. Embarassed

If you'll excuse me, I have a model to rip apart... Crying or Very sad
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PostSubject: Re: Succubus Conversion   Succubus Conversion I_icon_minitimeSat Jan 03 2015, 21:20

@The Shredder wrote:
Shocked

I hadn't actually noticed that. I was trying to find the one that most resembled the succubus one, and I must have been looking at the midriff rather than the chest. Embarassed

If you'll excuse me, I have a model to rip apart... Crying or Very sad

Hey, no need to overreact! Shocked

Nowhere does it say that Succubi can't be male. Female Dark Eldar just have the advantage of being more agile, but that doesn't stop males from joining the Cults.
To reach the rank of a Succubus, he would need be an exceptionally talented fighter. But it is possible. Wink

You're model is awesome anyway, so please don't destroy it!


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PostSubject: Re: Succubus Conversion   Succubus Conversion I_icon_minitimeSat Jan 03 2015, 21:24

Actually, the new lore does state somewhere that no male has ever become a Succubus, I believe.


Maybe she's just very flat chested?

It looks really nice. Sorry about the delay.
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PostSubject: Re: Succubus Conversion   Succubus Conversion I_icon_minitimeSat Jan 03 2015, 21:45

Or maybe its just an very agile male Warrior not related to the cults Smile. Or the first male succubus ever Wink. No need to rip the model apart
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PostSubject: Re: Succubus Conversion   Succubus Conversion I_icon_minitimeSat Jan 03 2015, 22:01

Maybe she had them removed to not hinder her combat agility? Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Succubus Conversion   Succubus Conversion I_icon_minitimeSat Jan 03 2015, 23:57

@Rokuro wrote:

Hey, no need to overreact! Shocked

Nowhere does it say that Succubi can't be male.

I fear a Succubus is, by definition, female. That is literally what the word means.

If it was male, it would be an Incubus.

@Rokuro wrote:
You're model is awesome anyway, so please don't destroy it!

Alright, I won't tear it apart to try and change the chest.

@Jimsolo wrote:
Maybe she's just very flat chested?

Possibly she was crushed under a Raider at some point. Or a Grotesque sat on her.

@Jimsolo wrote:
It looks really nice.

Thanks.
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PostSubject: Re: Succubus Conversion   Succubus Conversion I_icon_minitimeSun Jan 04 2015, 01:15

@The Shredder wrote:
@Rokuro wrote:
Nowhere does it say that Succubi can't be male.

I fear a Succubus is, by definition, female. That is literally what the word means.

If it was male, it would be an Incubus.

Well, if we're getting into technical terms, then nowhere does it say that Archites can't be male. Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Succubus Conversion   Succubus Conversion I_icon_minitimeSun Jan 04 2015, 01:58

Who needs boobs? Not this guy
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PostSubject: Re: Succubus Conversion   Succubus Conversion I_icon_minitimeSun Jan 04 2015, 02:00

http://transguys.com/features/chest-binding for anyone interested in throwing off the enemy in the style of Eowyn.
Also, that is a nice conversion and I'm going to steal the idea.

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PostSubject: Re: Succubus Conversion   Succubus Conversion I_icon_minitimeSun Jan 04 2015, 06:30

Of course, with all the drugs she's been taking, who's to say what kind of side effects she's suffering? Like, say, stunted secondary sex characteristics?
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PostSubject: Re: Succubus Conversion   Succubus Conversion I_icon_minitimeWed Jan 21 2015, 06:36

@The Shredder wrote:
I fear a Succubus is, by definition, female. That is literally what the word means.

If it was male, it would be an Incubus.

3rd ed female incubus model completes the set!

The hellglaive works quite well for hir, though. Nice work.

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PostSubject: Re: Succubus Conversion   Succubus Conversion I_icon_minitimeWed Jan 21 2015, 10:28

I have always taken unit names to be Games Workshop's playing with IP, so although the Succubus in mythology is an exclusively female character, and the Incubus exclusively male, in the Dark Eldar lore they are roles and ranks, and gender equality is much better in Commorragh.

Are we saying that our Elite unit the Incubi are exclusively male?
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PostSubject: Re: Succubus Conversion   Succubus Conversion I_icon_minitimeWed Jan 21 2015, 11:11

I can't remember the exact wording, but I'm in agreement with Jimsolo, I'm pretty sure the background section of the book dealing with Wyches confirms that Succubi (assuming GW haven't decided to use Succubusses as the plural) are female.

It does denote a rank however (Wych, Hekatrix, Bloodbride etc) and I don't recall reading that a Succubus was required to be female in order to achieve that rank.

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PostSubject: Re: Succubus Conversion   Succubus Conversion I_icon_minitimeWed Jan 21 2015, 11:22

@commandersasha wrote:
I have always taken unit names to be Games Workshop's playing with IP, so although the Succubus in mythology is an exclusively female character, and the Incubus exclusively male, in the Dark Eldar lore they are roles and ranks, and gender equality is much better in Commorragh.

Are we saying that our Elite unit the Incubi are exclusively male?

Well, turning it around, it seems odd that they'd use 'Incubi' - a word that describes, by definition, only males - if they're supposed to be multi-gender.

Same goes for 'Succubus' - they have so many options (including just making up a word), yet they went for one which is specific to females. I cannot fathom why they would possibly do this, unless succubi are (as their name describes) always female.
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PostSubject: Re: Succubus Conversion   Succubus Conversion I_icon_minitimeWed Jan 21 2015, 11:37

Re the question of Incubi - generally GW are usually explicit that Eldar as a species do not differentiate gender and ability, hence the provision of both male and female torsos in the guardian, wych and warrior kits.

By contrast, the Incubi kit is exclusively male, and both Succubus models they've made (granted, 2 is hardly a large sample size for the Succubus) are female.

Read into that what you will, personally I'd see it that Succubi tend to be female (though as a single IC the models aren't conclusive) and Incubi are male (if there were a spread of female and males, I'd have expected the Incubi kit to include at least one female torso)

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PostSubject: Re: Succubus Conversion   Succubus Conversion I_icon_minitimeWed Jan 21 2015, 13:48

ipad successfully ate my post regarding gender bias of titles an actual gender specific titles of the Dark Eldar, so in brief:

I think the new codex specifies all Succubi as female

That none-withstanding it's a really nice conversion, and there's no reason you can't use a male model as a Succubus. Technically they could just be an Archon who's really really fond of the wych cults and fits appropriately. My Succubus model represents an individual who calls herself Archon, also she's a corsair so... meh. Whatever justification you want you can use Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Succubus Conversion   Succubus Conversion I_icon_minitimeWed Jan 21 2015, 14:07

@The_Burning_Eye wrote:
It does denote a rank however (Wych, Hekatrix, Bloodbride etc) and I don't recall reading that a Succubus was required to be female in order to achieve that rank.

The only real requirement to rise up in rank for Wyches is skill. Only the best fighters are getting promotions, and those tend to be the females. Simple as that.
Also, according the fluff, the way for a Wych to become a Succubus is to kill one and take her place.
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PostSubject: Re: Succubus Conversion   Succubus Conversion I_icon_minitimeWed Jan 21 2015, 20:09

@Rokuro wrote:
@The_Burning_Eye wrote:
It does denote a rank however (Wych, Hekatrix, Bloodbride etc) and I don't recall reading that a Succubus was required to be female in order to achieve that rank.

The only real requirement to rise up in rank for Wyches is skill. Only the best fighters are getting promotions, and those tend to be the females. Simple as that.
Also, according the fluff, the way for a Wych to become a Succubus is to kill one and take her place.

Skill, yes but not just in fighting. Remember, is a show and the Hekatarii are mostly female as they are "more able to attain the pinnacle of poise and grace."
But male are important, for recreation! And as men like cars... eh beasts, the tribal bands of the beastmasters are therefore male-dominated.

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PostSubject: Re: Succubus Conversion   Succubus Conversion I_icon_minitimeMon Jan 26 2015, 22:51

Well, you could just say he's a Wych Lord or Archite lol. Thats what they were called in third edition. Just because they are succubi in the book doesnt mean it cant be changed. My Archon is technically a Dark Eldar ''Corsair Prince'' or ''Captain'' for example, Like Sliscuss. Just use your imagination,thats what it's all about lol!
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PostSubject: Re: Succubus Conversion   Succubus Conversion I_icon_minitimeMon Jan 26 2015, 22:52

It was still supposed to be a 'she'. Neutral
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