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Count Adhemar Dark Lord of Granbretan

Posts : 7333 Join date : 2012-04-26 Location : London
 | Subject: Re: WWP Dark Artisans: know where to land Thu Dec 04 2014, 11:44 | |
| Used Dark Artisans again last night. Killed a Trygon Prime and tied up a unit of 15 Genestealers for the entire battle, gradually whittling them down. Lost the Cronos on turn 5 due to some lucky Rends from the Genestealers but the Talos and Haem (my Warlord) were unscathed at the end of the battle. _________________ You have been weighed, you have been measured, and you have been found wanting. In what world could you possibly beat me? | |
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Hellstrom Wych

Posts : 515 Join date : 2014-11-24 Location : South Central England
 | Subject: Re: WWP Dark Artisans: know where to land Thu Dec 04 2014, 22:23 | |
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Mononcule Kabalite Warrior

Posts : 165 Join date : 2014-03-01
 | Subject: Re: WWP Dark Artisans: know where to land Fri Dec 05 2014, 00:01 | |
| Nice to see you had succes with them!
I played DA against a tank heavy blood angels in a 1k game. Deployed in the middle of the field, T1. It was a kill point game: my opponent gained 4 VP for destroying them... Yes they were really useful as a fire magnet and really tough, but they awarded too much victory points for my taste. A unit of 3 Talos would have been nearly as tough (the cronos fell first), with 3 TLHWB instead of one, and worth only 1 VP instead of 4. | |
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The_Burning_Eye Trueborn

Posts : 2501 Join date : 2012-01-16 Location : Rutland - UK
 | Subject: Re: WWP Dark Artisans: know where to land Fri Dec 05 2014, 00:48 | |
| Used this tonight, and despite getting tied up by a maulerfiend (damn thing passed its daemon save against the overwatch from twin heatlance, which would have blown it up as well (we checked)) it held on for several turns until rescued by a trigon (played a doubles game) | |
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The Shredder Trueborn

Posts : 2969 Join date : 2013-04-11
 | Subject: Re: WWP Dark Artisans: know where to land Sat Dec 06 2014, 20:04 | |
| - @Count Adhemar wrote:
- Used Dark Artisans again last night. Killed a Trygon Prime and tied up a unit of 15 Genestealers for the entire battle, gradually whittling them down. Lost the Cronos on turn 5 due to some lucky Rends from the Genestealers but the Talos and Haem (my Warlord) were unscathed at the end of the battle.
Nice. What upgrades did you give the squad? | |
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Plastikente Sybarite

Posts : 373 Join date : 2012-11-15 Location : London
 | Subject: Re: WWP Dark Artisans: know where to land Sun Dec 07 2014, 20:53 | |
| Ha! I must be the only one who has had a DA fail I haven't played Necrons for a while, and made the mistake of letting some Canoptek Wraiths charged the DA. What was worse, there was a Lord with mindshackle scarabs in the unit. My Talos spent most of the combat attacking his own unit, and the other two didn't manage to dent the wraiths.  The unit definitely has potential though. I'll be fielding it again. | |
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Mononcule Kabalite Warrior

Posts : 165 Join date : 2014-03-01
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Plastikente Sybarite

Posts : 373 Join date : 2012-11-15 Location : London
 | Subject: Re: WWP Dark Artisans: know where to land Sun Dec 07 2014, 21:40 | |
| - @Mononcule wrote:
- (bad deployment and/or too many victory points when slain).
How do the VPs work for DA? When we counted, I gave my opponent 4 - 1 for each MC, 1 for the IC and 1 for the warlord. He replied that because it is 1 unit, it only gives 1 point, +1 for the warlord. How is anyone else playing it? | |
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The Shredder Trueborn

Posts : 2969 Join date : 2013-04-11
 | Subject: Re: WWP Dark Artisans: know where to land Sun Dec 07 2014, 21:45 | |
| - @Plastikente wrote:
- @Mononcule wrote:
- (bad deployment and/or too many victory points when slain).
How do the VPs work for DA? When we counted, I gave my opponent 4 - 1 for each MC, 1 for the IC and 1 for the warlord. He replied that because it is 1 unit, it only gives 1 point, +1 for the warlord. How is anyone else playing it? I'd also like an answer to this. Also, do you get the VPs one by one, or only when the whole unit is slain? If the latter, what happens if the Haemonculus is the only model left alive, and he joins another unit? | |
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Aroban Kabalite Warrior

Posts : 113 Join date : 2014-03-03
 | Subject: Re: WWP Dark Artisans: know where to land Sun Dec 07 2014, 21:55 | |
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The Shredder Trueborn

Posts : 2969 Join date : 2013-04-11
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Count Adhemar Dark Lord of Granbretan

Posts : 7333 Join date : 2012-04-26 Location : London
 | Subject: Re: WWP Dark Artisans: know where to land Sun Dec 07 2014, 22:22 | |
| _________________ You have been weighed, you have been measured, and you have been found wanting. In what world could you possibly beat me? | |
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Erebus HTMLaemonculus

Posts : 374 Join date : 2013-02-13 Location : Your nightmares
 | Subject: Re: WWP Dark Artisans: know where to land Sun Dec 07 2014, 22:31 | |
| - @Plastikente wrote:
- Ha! I must be the only one who has had a DA fail
I haven't played Necrons for a while, and made the mistake of letting some Canoptek Wraiths charged the DA. What was worse, there was a Lord with mindshackle scarabs in the unit. My Talos spent most of the combat attacking his own unit, and the other two didn't manage to dent the wraiths.  The unit definitely has potential though. I'll be fielding it again. That's unfortunate. I tried the DA against Necrons a couple weeks ago and charged it into a unit of wraiths (normally wouldn't, but they were camping the objective I needed), wiping the squad handily. It then drew the ire of 1000+ points of Necron shooting and tanked it all for 2 turns. _________________ Taming the shadows with questionable wit.
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Plastikente Sybarite

Posts : 373 Join date : 2012-11-15 Location : London
 | Subject: Re: WWP Dark Artisans: know where to land Tue Dec 09 2014, 18:42 | |
| - @Count Adhemar wrote:
I'm also surprised but for a different reason. Combined units are addressed in the Haemonculus Covens book and Dark Artisans are even given as an example!
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- COMBINED UNITS
Some Formations allow you to combine several units together into a single, combined unit. Where Victory Points are awarded for units that have been completely destroyed, a combined unit awards a number of Victory Points equal to its constituent number of units if it is completely destroyed. For example, if the combined unit from a Dark Artisan Formation, was completely destroyed, your opponent would count as having destroyed 3 units. Interesting. How does that apply to the Corpsethief Claw, do you think? Because without the formation you could field 5 Taloi as anything between 2 and 5 separate units. Also, am I correct in understanding that either formation gives no points until completely destroyed, at which point it gives up all the VPs? | |
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The Shredder Trueborn

Posts : 2969 Join date : 2013-04-11
 | Subject: Re: WWP Dark Artisans: know where to land Tue Dec 09 2014, 19:16 | |
| - @Plastikente wrote:
- Interesting. How does that apply to the Corpsethief Claw, do you think? Because without the formation you could field 5 Taloi as anything between 2 and 5 separate units.
Well, this is GW we're dealing with, so I'm guessing the answer involves a d6. - @Plastikente wrote:
- Also, am I correct in understanding that either formation gives no points until completely destroyed, at which point it gives up all the VPs?
Yep, that's right. So just make sure the Haemonculus is the last one standing, and then hide him in another unit for the rest of the game. | |
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Laughingcarp Wych

Posts : 562 Join date : 2013-09-03 Location : The insane asylum of the universe
 | Subject: Re: WWP Dark Artisans: know where to land Tue Dec 09 2014, 19:54 | |
| For the Corpsethief Claw it specifically calls it out as being 1 unit of Talos, "even though this is not normally allowed" under the Restrictions section of the formation. _________________ I dedicate these deaths to Odin Allfather, Spearshaker, One Eye. Fleet Shadowmaker - Kabal of the Dying Sun; Cult of Marrow Excised; Coven of Lambent Hunger Sons of the Last Breath - Chaos Space Marines Host of Shattered Purity - Chaos Daemons
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Count Adhemar Dark Lord of Granbretan

Posts : 7333 Join date : 2012-04-26 Location : London
 | Subject: Re: WWP Dark Artisans: know where to land Tue Dec 09 2014, 21:50 | |
| Indeed. This argument was attempted sometime ago on here but it didn't really hold up. Corpsethief is a single unit that is larger than normally allowed. It is not a combined unit. _________________ You have been weighed, you have been measured, and you have been found wanting. In what world could you possibly beat me? | |
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Plastikente Sybarite

Posts : 373 Join date : 2012-11-15 Location : London
 | Subject: Re: WWP Dark Artisans: know where to land Tue Dec 09 2014, 22:40 | |
| Good old GW and their clear, unambiguous rules writing... | |
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Plastikente Sybarite

Posts : 373 Join date : 2012-11-15 Location : London
 | Subject: Re: WWP Dark Artisans: know where to land Thu Dec 11 2014, 21:26 | |
| Dark Artisan redeemed herself tonight. I tried out the version with WWP and max templates. Turned up on time on Turn 2 and wiped half a squad of Shining Spears, then proceeded to shrug off the remainder of the squad when they charged in my opponent's turn. All in all, the DA soaked the shooting from the Spears, and from a squad of Dire Avengers, a squad of Wraithguard and a squad of rangers for the next 2 turns until the rest of my army had finished tabling my opponent. A few lucky FnP rolls meant that I didn't lose a single model from the DA formation. Definitely going to be a regular in my army lists | |
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Mononcule Kabalite Warrior

Posts : 165 Join date : 2014-03-01
 | Subject: Re: WWP Dark Artisans: know where to land Fri Dec 12 2014, 00:19 | |
| Thanks for sharing  I'll for sure give them another try. Awesome avatar btw! | |
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Plastikente Sybarite

Posts : 373 Join date : 2012-11-15 Location : London
 | Subject: Re: WWP Dark Artisans: know where to land Fri Dec 12 2014, 17:24 | |
| - @Mononcule wrote:
- Awesome avatar btw!
Thanks. I'd been meaning to model a female Haemie for a while (my army fluff requires a brother and sister pair of Haemonculi, trying to outdo each other with their fleshy creations). When the new plastic model came out, I saw my chance. | |
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