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Finn
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PostSubject: Pure DE 1200   Pure DE 1200 I_icon_minitimeSun Oct 26 2014, 23:39

There's going to be a tournament soon and I'm going pure DE. I have a few ideas and they seem quite decent for the points, however I'm leaning towards the first one due to possible serpentspam problems.

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Archon 60

5 warriors 40
Venom 65
5 warriors 40
Venom 65

Venom 65
5 haywire scourges 120
5 blaster scourges 140
6 reavers 2x caltrops 2x lance champion agoniser 181 (champion for the warlord)
Razorwing 2x lance 140

Ravager 2x lance 120
Voidraven 160

1196

II.

Archon haywire grenades 65

6 warriors raider 103
5 warriors venom 105
5 warriors venom 105

venom 65
venom 65
5 HWB scourges 120
5 Blaster scourges 140
6 reavers 2 caltrops 2 lance champ agoniser 181
Razorwing lance 140

Ravager 110

1199

III.

Archon blaster 75

6 warriors raider 103
5 warriors venom 105
5 warriors venom 105

venom 65
venom 65
5 HWB scourges 120
5 Blaster scourges 140
6 Reavers champion agoniser 2x caltrops 2x heat lance 181

Ravager 3x lance 125

5 wracks venom 115

1199

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PostSubject: Re: Pure DE 1200   Pure DE 1200 I_icon_minitimeMon Oct 27 2014, 22:58

UI like the first one. My gut tells me that at 1200, your anti-air woes will be much fewer if even present.

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PostSubject: Re: Pure DE 1200   Pure DE 1200 I_icon_minitimeTue Oct 28 2014, 00:12


So I'm assuming rel space raiders - yopur first list is good but ...

I would use an HQ of a lhamaean in a venom and drop the arena champion and split the reavers into two squads - extra pts dump in warriors for shredders (chap upgrade for 5 pts).

This nets you an extra 12 splinter cannon shots

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PostSubject: Re: Pure DE 1200   Pure DE 1200 I_icon_minitimeTue Oct 28 2014, 07:29

Unfortunately our meta doesn't allow a single lhamean as HQ. This is quite a controversial matter. If I could, I would Smile

The first list suffers from keeping 1/4 points in reserve without any reserve manipulation and it's a pain. Especially when I took 2 fliers not only because of AA but also because of AT. That's why I've tweaked the list and got this:

HQ
Archon blaster venom sc 140

TROOPS
5 warriors blaster venom sc 120
5 warriors blaster venom sc 120

FAST ATTACK
Venom sc 65
Venom sc 65
5 Haywire blaster scourges 120
5 Haywire blaster scourges 120
6 Reavers 2 caltrops 2 heat lance champion agoniser 181
Razorwing 2 lance 140

HS
Ravager 3 lance 125

1196 pts
13 KP

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PostSubject: Re: Pure DE 1200   Pure DE 1200 I_icon_minitimeTue Oct 28 2014, 19:32

also: I am glad to hear that your local meta is not doing this.

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PostSubject: Re: Pure DE 1200   Pure DE 1200 I_icon_minitimeTue Oct 28 2014, 20:13

Personally, I'd reinvest points from Ravager into Talos - if your DS then he can tank a lot

And I find Scourges too squishy & predictable. Maybe drop the reaver champion + agoniser and a Scourge unit for another small Reaver squad?

Gives you lots of options and isn't that predictable as they're so versatile. Start with Talos and empty Venoms (only if you think you can get away with it or add Reavers if not) then DS others? Turbo boost Reavers out of harms way / behind LoS block for turn 2 strike? I tend to feel like my Reavers get picked on too easily early game...

My two cents Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Pure DE 1200   Pure DE 1200 I_icon_minitimeTue Oct 28 2014, 22:07

Unorthodoxy, even if I regret a single Lhamean is not a viable HQ choice around here, I was one of the guys who spoke against it Smile

OutrunKoil, from my experience a single talos is nothing but a bullet magnet and 3W is not enough. I want to avoid reserves as much as possible without some form of reserve manipulation (which means Eldar Autarch and/or comms relay).

The arena champion is there to become my warlord. I don't want a single T3 5+ model to have a huge sign on him saying "Slay me, I'm a Warlord". Arena champ is also getting more mileage from codex traits.

I've used scourges before and I think I know how to use them. In the new book they only got better.

I'm not taking a 3 men strong reaver squads, as they don't do nothing. A single heatlance shot is too unreliable and having two wounds does not help surviving assault to make use of hit and run tactics.

As it turns out, I need to rethink the list again, as the orgs decided to change the format to 900 points core + 2 sideboards (300p each) due to requests from attendants.

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PostSubject: Re: Pure DE 1200   Pure DE 1200 I_icon_minitimeWed Oct 29 2014, 19:01

CORE

HQ1: Archon, blaster - 75pts [Transport1]

TRP1: 5 Kabalite Warriors, blaster - 55pts [Transport2]
TRP2: 5 Kabalite Warriors - 40pts [Transport3]

HS1: Ravager, 3x dark lance - 125pts

FA1: 5 Scourges, 4x blaster - 140pts
FA2: Razorwing, 2x dark lance - 140pts
FA3: Venom, splinter cannon - 65pts
FA4: Venom, splinter cannon - 65pts

TRANSPORT1: Venom, splinter cannon - 65pts [HQ1]
TRANSPORT2: Venom, splinter cannon - 65pts [TRP1]
TRANSPORT3: Venom, splinter cannon - 65pts [TRP2]

SIDEBOARD 1

TRP3: 9 Kabalite Warriors, blaster - 87pts [Transport4]
FA5: Razorwing, 2x dark lance - 140pts
TRANSPORT4: Raider, Splinter Racks - 70pts [TRP3]

SIDEBOARD 2

FA5: 5 Scourges, 4x haywire blaster - 120pts
HS2: Voidraven Bomber, night shield - 175pts

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PostSubject: Re: Pure DE 1200   Pure DE 1200 I_icon_minitimeThu Oct 30 2014, 12:32

@Unorthodoxy wrote:
UI like the first one.  My gut tells me that at 1200, your anti-air woes will be much fewer if even present.

Thats what I thought, until I tested my 1250 list against a skyblight list lol. It was rough but I managed to tie that test game.
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PostSubject: Re: Pure DE 1200   Pure DE 1200 I_icon_minitimeThu Oct 30 2014, 14:54

well and thats likely to be the worst you face from that perspective.

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