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PostSubject: The end of the SC on infantry.   The end of the SC on infantry. I_icon_minitimeSun Oct 12 2014, 05:06

Before the new codex, I was using many squad of trueborn with SC. Ravager with DL. Now I changed all my SC for Blasterborn. I will keep 1 or 2 Ravager but I am now fielding Talos/Chronos.

I think the new codex killed the splinter Cannon on Infantry. The fact that it is now salvo mean that you are loosing a lot of range.

Also I was happy that scourge can now have 4 heavy weapon. But they are so fragile that I am not too sure about it anymore.

I played against the IG recently and SC are very useless when there is mostly/only tank on the table.
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PostSubject: Re: The end of the SC on infantry.   The end of the SC on infantry. I_icon_minitimeSun Oct 12 2014, 06:31

Splinter Cannons on Talos is so good right now it's kind of redic. A unit of 3 pump out 18 TL shots that will more than likely reroll to wound but also wound on better than the 4+ due to the high strength of the Talos is a massive win. We haven't lost our firepower, it's just now on a different platform

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PostSubject: Re: The end of the SC on infantry.   The end of the SC on infantry. I_icon_minitimeSun Oct 12 2014, 06:37

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Splinter Cannons on Talos is so good right now it's kind of redic. A unit of 3 pump out 18 TL shots that will more than likely reroll to wound but also wound on better than the 4+ due to the high strength of the Talos is a massive win. We haven't lost our firepower, it's just now on a different platform
..not sure the splinter cannon is effected by the taloses strength... so no rerolls
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PostSubject: Re: The end of the SC on infantry.   The end of the SC on infantry. I_icon_minitimeSun Oct 12 2014, 06:42

The strength does effect the to wound result, but on reading over the rule, I think I'm wrong with the reroll to wound from shooting. Just melee benefits the reroll

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PostSubject: Re: The end of the SC on infantry.   The end of the SC on infantry. I_icon_minitimeSun Oct 12 2014, 06:58

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The strength does effect the to wound result, but on reading over the rule, I think I'm wrong with the reroll to wound from shooting. Just melee benefits the reroll
Yep it does with melee but not shooting.
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PostSubject: Re: The end of the SC on infantry.   The end of the SC on infantry. I_icon_minitimeSun Oct 12 2014, 07:10

"Similarly, if a model makes a shooting attack with a weapon that has the Poisoned special rule, it always wounds on a fixed number (generally shown in brackets), unless a lower result would be required."

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PostSubject: Re: The end of the SC on infantry.   The end of the SC on infantry. I_icon_minitimeSun Oct 12 2014, 07:16

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"Similarly, if a model makes a shooting attack with a weapon that has the Poisoned special rule, it always wounds on a fixed number (generally shown in brackets), unless a lower result would be required."
that goes by the weapon's strength, not the model. The splinter cannon has a strength of one.
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PostSubject: Re: The end of the SC on infantry.   The end of the SC on infantry. I_icon_minitimeSun Oct 12 2014, 07:39

bibity has it right.
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PostSubject: Re: The end of the SC on infantry.   The end of the SC on infantry. I_icon_minitimeSun Oct 12 2014, 08:09

Bibitybopitybacon wrote:
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"Similarly, if a model makes a shooting attack with a weapon that has the Poisoned special rule, it always wounds on a fixed number (generally shown in brackets), unless a lower result would be required."
that goes by the weapon's strength, not the model. The splinter cannon has a strength of one.

oic, thanks for clarifying it that way. Now it makes sense lol

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PostSubject: Re: The end of the SC on infantry.   The end of the SC on infantry. I_icon_minitimeSun Oct 12 2014, 11:36

On topic, I think I'd have to refute the belief that splinter cannons are useless on infantry. Yes, the salvo rule has taken a little bite out of it, but the change to splinter racks, IMHO, more than makes up for it.
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PostSubject: Re: The end of the SC on infantry.   The end of the SC on infantry. I_icon_minitimeSun Oct 12 2014, 11:41

Dont forget both items also went up 5 points.
Im really indecisive on this.
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PostSubject: Re: The end of the SC on infantry.   The end of the SC on infantry. I_icon_minitimeSun Oct 12 2014, 17:13

For me the SC at 15 pts is a clear indication that blaster are now the way to go with trueborn on an all around list. Anyway, your venoms will have 2 SC and you will probably have a couple of them. Since the transport does not have to target the same unit as their passenger, I see no point in having overpriced SC on trueborn.
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