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PostSubject: Webway and personal Venom   Webway and personal Venom I_icon_minitimeSat Oct 04, 2014 11:04 am

I've just bought the new codex, which is not too bad after all, and thinking about strategies and combination to use with the new webway portal I find a problem.

For example if I have an Archon with WWP and a personal venom, and I decide to put him in a unit with a personal transport or a transport chosen in FA... what can enter from the WWP?

- Nothing? Everything? Only the unit and vehicle on which they unit is effectively embarked while the other vehicle has to start on the table?

Courios to hear your opinion!

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PostSubject: Re: Webway and personal Venom   Webway and personal Venom I_icon_minitimeSat Oct 04, 2014 11:09 am

It's only the transport on which he is embarked, or a unit he has joined. If he is in a unit that is riding in a transport, the vehicle can deep strike with them inside it. Basically, taking a portal and a personal Venom doesn't automatically confer the portal rules onto the Venom if he's not embarked on it.

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PostSubject: Re: Webway and personal Venom   Webway and personal Venom I_icon_minitimeSat Oct 04, 2014 12:05 pm

So an individual Archon with WWP, an individual Raider bought in the FA slot and, say, 9 Fire Dragons from an Allied Detachment could all team up and do the perfect deepstrike behind enemy lines?

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PostSubject: Re: Webway and personal Venom   Webway and personal Venom I_icon_minitimeSat Oct 04, 2014 12:17 pm

Correct. You don't even need the raider!

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PostSubject: Re: Webway and personal Venom   Webway and personal Venom I_icon_minitimeSat Oct 04, 2014 1:24 pm

The Raider is awesome for templates though. 9 Medusae in Deep Strike formation can't all fire effectively; 9 in a Raider, all firing from the same point of the hull, though! Oh-sweet-muses...

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PostSubject: Re: Webway and personal Venom   Webway and personal Venom I_icon_minitimeSat Oct 04, 2014 5:24 pm

My new thought is a succubus with either harlequins or howling banshees in a raider.

I am also dreaming of having supportive deepstrikes with hellions and scourges falling down the sky while the WWP activates, hopefully during the same turn (maybe an autarch added with the succubus).
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PostSubject: Re: Webway and personal Venom   Webway and personal Venom I_icon_minitimeSat Oct 04, 2014 8:15 pm

@Kinnay
The problem with the 9 Medusae in the Raider is, that the Raider counts as moved 12' when Deepstriking and therefore the Medusae cant fire in the Turn they come in (only Snapshots so no Templates)
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PostSubject: Re: Webway and personal Venom   Webway and personal Venom I_icon_minitimeSat Oct 04, 2014 8:17 pm

@Krandoy wrote:
@Kinnay
The problem with the 9 Medusae in the Raider is, that the Raider counts as moved 12' when Deepstriking and therefore the Medusae cant fire in the Turn they come in (only Snapshots so no Templates)

I thought this too, but Burning Eye (I think) pointed out that under seventh, vehicles that deep strike count as having moved at combat speed, not cruising speed, and the eyeburst is an assault weapon. Delicious Twisted Evil

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PostSubject: Re: Webway and personal Venom   Webway and personal Venom I_icon_minitimeSat Oct 04, 2014 8:24 pm

Well, in my german Rulebook it is worded like this: (roughly translated)

Vehicles other than Walkers count, as if they had moved with cruising speed (in german Marschgeschwindigkeit). (p. 167 Deepstrike (Schocktruppen))

Could someone give me the wording of the english codex in comparision? Because if i go by my rulebook medusae could not shoot in the first round they come in.
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PostSubject: Re: Webway and personal Venom   Webway and personal Venom I_icon_minitimeSun Oct 05, 2014 8:14 am

french wording:
rule book - FR wrote:
"Les véhicules, hormis les Marcheurs, comptent comme s'étant déplacés à Vitesse de Combat (même les véhicules immobilisés)."

Maybe there was a typo in the German version (.. .or in the FR one)

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PostSubject: Re: Webway and personal Venom   Webway and personal Venom I_icon_minitimeSun Oct 05, 2014 8:50 am

"Vehicles, except for walkers, count as having moved at Combat Speed" - p 162

"Models firing out of a vehicle that moved at Combat Speed count as having moved that turn. Models firing out of a vehicle that moved at Cruising Speed can only fire Snap Shots that turn" - p 80

So yup, deepstrike the raider and medusa flame away.

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PostSubject: Re: Webway and personal Venom   Webway and personal Venom I_icon_minitimeSun Oct 05, 2014 2:47 pm

Thank you guys, seems like its just a typo in my BRB then. Well then i will have to order 9 Medusae now ;P.
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PostSubject: Re: Webway and personal Venom   Webway and personal Venom I_icon_minitimeMon Oct 06, 2014 6:52 pm

Do you really need more than 4? I stopped filling there because they can still only kill models within the 8" of the template and I'm expecting having more would just be overkill and wasted points.
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PostSubject: Re: Webway and personal Venom   Webway and personal Venom I_icon_minitimeMon Oct 06, 2014 7:15 pm

Raider + rack  + 5 Sslyth + 4 Medusa seems to be a good compromise.
T5 majority and Sslyth shardcarbines benefit from the rack for 15 TL splinter shots.
4 templates F4 AP3.

Fire the templates first, finish the job with the carbines.

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