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orestes85
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PostSubject: What goes in Venoms?   What goes in Venoms? I_icon_minitimeWed Oct 01 2014, 22:30

I used to play with 3 Venoms with Haywire Wyches. From what Scorpion has revealed, Haywire is going away, which is fair. It was good while it lasted. But now what am I going to put in my Venoms? If their shooting range is now reduced if they move, can't have Night Shields (Stealth now), is not a Raider better in all scenarios?

Sorry if I am being negative, can't help myself, I was born a pessimist.
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PostSubject: Re: What goes in Venoms?   What goes in Venoms? I_icon_minitimeWed Oct 01 2014, 22:56

They can still move 12 and shoot both splinter cannon's at full BS.
Can be taken in FA slot without anything riding in them.
I have always had warriors in mine 5 with a blaster, or true born 3 or 4 with blasters.
I used to put my wyches in raiders as venoms wanted to sit back and shoot rather than getting in close.
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PostSubject: Re: What goes in Venoms?   What goes in Venoms? I_icon_minitimeThu Oct 02 2014, 01:12

Raiders are now a better platform for True Born with Blaters. With Night Shields they'll have a 3+ Jink, and 3 Hull Points. And Venoms will now have to be 18" from a target to shoot those 18 shots.
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PostSubject: Re: What goes in Venoms?   What goes in Venoms? I_icon_minitimeThu Oct 02 2014, 06:49

Good question, seeing as how I have 6 of them. I believe blasterborn, wracks and archon with retinue will be the only way. Incubi possibly.

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PostSubject: Re: What goes in Venoms?   What goes in Venoms? I_icon_minitimeThu Oct 02 2014, 06:57

Salvo weapons when mounted on a vehicle fire as if they were stationary even if they have moved, all vehicles are relentless. P721 and p722 of rule book (on iPad)
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PostSubject: Re: What goes in Venoms?   What goes in Venoms? I_icon_minitimeThu Oct 02 2014, 07:22

As Ivan says. Venom firepower stays the same.
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PostSubject: Re: What goes in Venoms?   What goes in Venoms? I_icon_minitimeThu Oct 02 2014, 07:43

With only 2 wargear items available. So, as before, they remain just the same. Still one of the most beautiful models in the game. I am gonna try to use them as before but now they can be taken empty, as a gun boat.

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PostSubject: Re: What goes in Venoms?   What goes in Venoms? I_icon_minitimeThu Oct 02 2014, 09:03

Ill probably take some with warriors for cheap extra splinter + obsec.

Some with warriors with a blaster for as above + another AT pot shot.

Some with warriors with, god forbid a shedder? if its worth it maybe? For extra AI + obsec.

Some with trueborn.

Some solo if that's a FA choice?
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PostSubject: Re: What goes in Venoms?   What goes in Venoms? I_icon_minitimeThu Oct 02 2014, 16:21

@Crazy_Ivan, my apologies. What a relief that Salvo weapons don't affect vehicles! Things aren't as bad as they seem.
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PostSubject: Re: What goes in Venoms?   What goes in Venoms? I_icon_minitimeThu Oct 02 2014, 22:32

This is one of the things I'm most excited about. I always considered the wracks or warriors I put in venoms as a tax for the glory of the transport itself. Now I can field 5 of them for 300ish points. My opponents will hate me and I won't fear templates anymore.
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PostSubject: Re: What goes in Venoms?   What goes in Venoms? I_icon_minitimeThu Oct 02 2014, 23:57

Striking Scorpions, Fire Dragons, Howling Banshees (okay 5 Banshees may be to small of a squad to be useful) Heck 5 Dire Avengers in a Venom could be decent anti-infantry shooting, if your Marine/AM/Cron opponent likes using 2+ Save HQs/Squadleaders to soak wounds, use the bladestorm AP2s to cut through those and then use the Venom to hurt whats left
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PostSubject: Re: What goes in Venoms?   What goes in Venoms? I_icon_minitimeFri Oct 03 2014, 18:32

I plan on just taking 3 or 4 as fast attack! 70pts for 12 poison shots on an AV mobile platform!
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PostSubject: Re: What goes in Venoms?   What goes in Venoms? I_icon_minitimeFri Oct 03 2014, 18:45

Can they be squadrons then? Or are you talking about one of the alternative F.O.C's? On a related note, I take it that if you use that, it's not a C.A.D. so no Objective Secured?
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PostSubject: Re: What goes in Venoms?   What goes in Venoms? I_icon_minitimeFri Oct 03 2014, 20:09

Well venoms by themselves aren't troops as they are being taken as fast attack slots. So it has nothing to do with not being a combined arms detachment...

Also, there's a formation that gives us 6 fast. All it needs is 1 HQ, 2 troops, and 1 fast and it unlocks another 5 fast attack. For reference, I wrote an army list in the army lists section, you should check it out and give me feedback!

Lastly,

They can't be squadroned.
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PostSubject: Re: What goes in Venoms?   What goes in Venoms? I_icon_minitimeFri Oct 03 2014, 21:16

Venoms are Troops if pruchased as Dedicated Transport for a Troop choice.

What goes in Venoms?

Medusae
Incubi
min. squad Kabalites
Blasterborn

Which of our depressingly boring kin could use a ride?

Dark Reaper (Slow and purposeful makes them fire on the move)
Fire Dragons (Deepstike!)

The rest is probably better off in Raiders as you either need more than 5 models or they are bulky.

An Archon + Seer + Incubi could prove nasty, same as 5 Scytheguard or 6+ Scorpions/Banshees with Succubus
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PostSubject: Re: What goes in Venoms?   What goes in Venoms? I_icon_minitimeSun Oct 05 2014, 00:24

@orestes85 wrote:
Raiders are now a better platform for True Born with Blaters.  With Night Shields they'll have a 3+ Jink, and 3 Hull Points.  And Venoms will now have to be 18" from a target to shoot those 18 shots.

If you jink, the passengers fire snapshots though, right?
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PostSubject: Re: What goes in Venoms?   What goes in Venoms? I_icon_minitimeSun Oct 05 2014, 00:28

Nope, passengers don't snapshot themselves. Check the Rules subforum, there is a discussion there I believe.
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PostSubject: Re: What goes in Venoms?   What goes in Venoms? I_icon_minitimeSun Oct 05 2014, 03:00

My warrior venom units got cheaper! I love them!

5 warriors, blaster, venom with 2 splinter cannons - done.

No need for nightshields anymore either... 120 is a steal for this unit! in a CAD its even better as both get OS!

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PostSubject: Re: What goes in Venoms?   What goes in Venoms? I_icon_minitimeSun Oct 05 2014, 07:22

That is incredibly bargainous
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