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PostSubject: Apocalypse Warzone: Valedor - Nids vs Eldar/Dark Eldar   Wed May 07 2014, 18:17

Original source

http://grotorderly.blogspot.be/2014/05/white-dwarf-15-obrazki-pictures.html

and what interests us =>

[Picture of new Kabalite Stormsurge formation removed.]

The old Splinter Raid Force got renamed and finally came back to us Very Happy(my num 1 favorite apoc formation)

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PostSubject: Re: Apocalypse Warzone: Valedor - Nids vs Eldar/Dark Eldar   Wed May 07 2014, 20:57

YES Twisted Evil Twisted Evil 

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PostSubject: Re: Apocalypse Warzone: Valedor - Nids vs Eldar/Dark Eldar   Wed May 07 2014, 21:12

Not gonna lie...those rules are freaking nuts! I would definitely field that in Apoc!

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PostSubject: Re: Apocalypse Warzone: Valedor - Nids vs Eldar/Dark Eldar   Wed May 07 2014, 23:36

damnit there goes my money :\

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PostSubject: Re: Apocalypse Warzone: Valedor - Nids vs Eldar/Dark Eldar   Thu May 08 2014, 01:21

Pure awesome.

I've enjoyed the apoc warzone books and the rules for the de formation look fantastic.

Looking forward to this - if you couldn't tell.

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PostSubject: Re: Apocalypse Warzone: Valedor - Nids vs Eldar/Dark Eldar   Thu May 08 2014, 13:27

OMG! is it just me or does that formation just scream "use and abuse me" lol

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PostSubject: Re: Apocalypse Warzone: Valedor - Nids vs Eldar/Dark Eldar   Thu May 08 2014, 15:23

Hell - thats old rule!

Raiders count as FLyers first turn! Hell yeah!

Potentially -4 LD with TGL. Hoooh! Basically allows Reavers with heatlances to be placed anywhere....

Nice. Thats true DE formation.
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PostSubject: Re: Apocalypse Warzone: Valedor - Nids vs Eldar/Dark Eldar   Fri May 09 2014, 12:26

I am not massively interested in Apocalypse as I rarely play it but I will definitely be buying this, if only for the background.

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PostSubject: Re: Apocalypse Warzone: Valedor - Nids vs Eldar/Dark Eldar   Fri May 09 2014, 15:00

One thing though about this formation, not to underestimate the fact: 3 reaver squads for each. It's a clear strategy from GW to force people to buy reavers, but as far as I'm concerned, I got 48 reavers, problem solved before it even starts.

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PostSubject: Re: Apocalypse Warzone: Valedor - Nids vs Eldar/Dark Eldar   Fri May 09 2014, 15:03

@Khain mor wrote:
I got 48 reavers

 affraid affraid affraid 

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PostSubject: Re: Apocalypse Warzone: Valedor - Nids vs Eldar/Dark Eldar   Sat May 10 2014, 04:21

Needs more Reavers Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Apocalypse Warzone: Valedor - Nids vs Eldar/Dark Eldar   Sat May 10 2014, 11:10

So I got one of those GW newslettery emails today, and it included this image:


(Hoping this image will be ok as its not rules, etc)

So from the looks of it, this new Apocalypse book does NOT feature Dark Eldar AT ALL.
In fact there is only a single Dark Eldar datasheet, and its in White Dwarf.

Yay! We're an afterthought again!


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I got 48 reavers

My mere 30 is sad at their inadequacy.
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PostSubject: Re: Apocalypse Warzone: Valedor - Nids vs Eldar/Dark Eldar   Sat May 10 2014, 14:55

What number of WD do they advertising?

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PostSubject: Re: Apocalypse Warzone: Valedor - Nids vs Eldar/Dark Eldar   Sat May 10 2014, 15:21

The current one (saw an issue on Thursday) and it's that one.
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PostSubject: Re: Apocalypse Warzone: Valedor - Nids vs Eldar/Dark Eldar   Sun May 11 2014, 00:29

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo D:


http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Warzone-Valedor-English

Actually it does have DE dataslates Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Apocalypse Warzone: Valedor - Nids vs Eldar/Dark Eldar   Sun May 11 2014, 10:06

@Elzadar wrote:
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo D:


http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Warzone-Valedor-English

Actually it does have DE dataslates Very Happy


Fair enough. I stand corrected.
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PostSubject: Re: Apocalypse Warzone: Valedor - Nids vs Eldar/Dark Eldar   Sun May 11 2014, 12:04

With all the lines between regular 40K and Apoc blurring more and more, I'm curious when/if these formations will also be allowed in regular 40K.

Think about it: Superheavies, Fortifications, and the upcoming Unbound army construction are allowing in most of the aspects that differ Apocalypse from regular games. The only other thing is the point limit, but even that can be extended for regular games.

Formations are the only thing left. Come on GDub, give the True Kin the rules the fluff has been prescribing them all these years!
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PostSubject: Re: Apocalypse Warzone: Valedor - Nids vs Eldar/Dark Eldar   Sun May 11 2014, 22:51

Anyone read the interview with Phil Kelly in white dwarf?

"There's a spitefulness to the Dark Eldar's ultimate weapon, and it speaks volumes about their desperation that the eldar would employ it."

Wonder if that has anything to do with the rumors on a bane unit.

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PostSubject: Re: Apocalypse Warzone: Valedor - Nids vs Eldar/Dark Eldar   Sun May 11 2014, 23:36

The apocalypse book is Valedor. It's about some fluff in the CWE codex where Iyanden and Biel-tan need to keep to hive fleets from merging and get help from the Dark Eldar. The dark eldar weapon isn't a new unit
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PostSubject: Re: Apocalypse Warzone: Valedor - Nids vs Eldar/Dark Eldar   Mon May 12 2014, 01:08

Then that's poor writing. I understand what Valedor is, but I'd like to know what our ultimate weapon is then. Poison? A formation that one rule doesn't even effect tyranids in synapse range?

With Eldar able to bring 7 different lords of war and dark eldar only able to bring one they ripped off the eldar, seems like a silly notion they need us that badly. Maybe its mandrakes. An apocalypse formation of 40 mandrakes that pulls a 2x2 section of the board into aelindrach.

Sorry, I'm just saying it misleading.

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PostSubject: Re: Apocalypse Warzone: Valedor - Nids vs Eldar/Dark Eldar   Mon May 12 2014, 01:23

This is kind of a spoiler for this who haven't read it, but since the story is already in a codex that has been out for a while I'm just going to write it out.

The dark eldar help Biel-tan and Iyanden fight two tyranid hive fleets that they don't want to join. The book is ok so far, I haven't finished it, not as good as the dark eldar path trilogy so far though. The ultimate weapon is the device capable of destroying the planet thoroughly enough to keep the fleets from merging. It has to be psychically activated so it requires some seers to sacrifice themselves to set it off. What makes it spiteful is that it sounds like Dark Eldar had other weapons that could of done the job, but chose the one that requires eldar to sacrifice themselves for lols. So if your looking for some fancy super heavy its not in there.

I don't really know much about apocalypse but from a fluff standpoint I don't really think we should have lords of war. I like the idea of using formations with our existing units (maybe better ones than we currently have access to since we do kind of lack or super heavies). The new one in the white dwarf seems pretty good to me though.
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PostSubject: Re: Apocalypse Warzone: Valedor - Nids vs Eldar/Dark Eldar   Wed May 14 2014, 02:50

The Stormsurge says it's unique to the White Dwarf magazine. Is there any confirmation that it will actually BE in the Valedor book? The Valedor page says it includes DE formations, but it doesn't really specify which or how many.
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PostSubject: Re: Apocalypse Warzone: Valedor - Nids vs Eldar/Dark Eldar   Thu May 15 2014, 23:17

Brief Book Review:

Story and Art: Going to be very brief with this but the fluff is well crafted and enough snippets of Dark Eldar to keep myself interested throughout whereas there are at least two new pieces of art with the Dark Eldar in.

Rules: Probably what you're most likely reading this for. A lot of different scenarios and missions that look like fun if you have like minded friends. There is one new stratagem, whereby at the start of one turn all Wych Cult units get fleshbane.

There's a really cool Harlequin formation where they get a lot of special rules - crusader, deep strike, fear, PE CSM/SM while their ranged weapons get blind and concussive - if they fail the blind test the enemy get confused and become unwieldy. And they get an Autarch level character. And they get Venoms!

There's only two DE formations, we're defintely there as a cameo appearance and you should essentially view this as a book about Eldar with Dark Eldar allies but did not taint any sense of enjoyment.
One is for Hellions and Scourges and the units must be maxed out. They deep strike from reserve and don't scatter (come down together). This is when it gets interested. All units within 3" take 2D6 rending bolter hits. All units get a pain token each for every five wounds caused by the formation in that attack.
Next is a mounted one where you have to take any unit mounted, Archon plus three of anything mounted plus beasts, reavers and scourges - Raiders have to have sails. Nothing can disembark or go to ground and if they do they lose a pain token. One unit a turn gets skyfire. Units on Raiders can move, use sails, shoot, then boost.

I love the last formation and really hope to see elements of this in the new codex, especially seeing options for Skyfire on vehicles, all the options are just so in keeping up with the background. Love this book and would recommend it to you all, if not just for the sheer variety of things in here, and Harlequins on Venoms.....

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PostSubject: Re: Apocalypse Warzone: Valedor - Nids vs Eldar/Dark Eldar   Sun May 18 2014, 16:45

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Sorry, I'm just saying it misleading.

How is it misleading? They stated that the Dark Eldar give the Craftworlders a "superweapon". Not "they deploy a new unit", or anything like that, but that the Dark Eldar essentially give the Craftworlders a nuke.

And that's what we do. We give the Craftworlders the Fireheart, a doomsday weapon that can destroy the planet.

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PostSubject: Re: Apocalypse Warzone: Valedor - Nids vs Eldar/Dark Eldar   Sun May 18 2014, 17:26

Then it's double misleading and double poor writing.

A race that can enslave suns, generate black holes, and bio-engineer some of the most lethal toxins in the universe and their ultimate weapon is a nuke? Yawn.

I might pick the rulebook up for the artwork and formations but you just talked me out of the novel.

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