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PostSubject: Agoniser, huskblade and blast pistol archon?   Tue Sep 18 2012, 05:58

I've been playing with the idea of killing the monstrous creature/character with the agoniser or blast pistol and then soul trapping them for the S6 huskblade and eventualy the S10 huskblade. I'm a new dark eldar player so I'd like to know if there's a better way of getting the high strength huskblade and if its too many weapons for one guy?
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PostSubject: Re: Agoniser, huskblade and blast pistol archon?   Tue Sep 18 2012, 07:21

Taking all 3 of those is not legal as they require you to swap standard items and you only have 2 to start with. That said, the blast pistol is quite usable as a short range sniper weapon thanks to precision strikes combined with a high BS. Combined with instand death and the soul trap it's a great little combo to get the S boost. The main issue is most enemies only tend to have 1-2 IC or MC (baring obvious exceptions)

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PostSubject: Re: Agoniser, huskblade and blast pistol archon?   Tue Sep 18 2012, 07:28

So which CC weapon do I give up?
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PostSubject: Re: Agoniser, huskblade and blast pistol archon?   Tue Sep 18 2012, 08:47

If I were you, I would drop the Agoniser and take a Venom Blade Smile (is it legal to have husk and venom??))

The Agoniser is AP3 and wounds on +4 while the VB wounds on a 2+ (re-roll to wound if the targets toughness is the same or lower as your strength).

Now you wonder why this is better? Well, the agoniser will ignore almost all armour but only wounds on a 4+. That is 50/50 chance to wound. The VB will do more wounds since you only need 2+ to do it. You will not ignore any armour but he will have to roll more saves which evetually leads to that he fails his save.

Remember, the agoniser is 20p but the VB is 5p. That is 15 points to be put elswhere^^

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PostSubject: Re: Agoniser, huskblade and blast pistol archon?   Tue Sep 18 2012, 09:34

@NiteOwl wrote:
Now you wonder why this is better? Well, the agoniser will ignore almost all armour but only wounds on a 4+. That is 50/50 chance to wound. The VB will do more wounds since you only need 2+ to do it. You will not ignore any armour but he will have to roll more saves which evetually leads to that he fails his save.

Some Mathhammer

Vs MEQ
Venom Blade: 5 attacks, 3.33 hits, 2.77 wounds, 0.92 unsaved wounds
Agoniser: 5 attacks, 3.33 hits, 1.66 wounds, 1.66 unsaved wounds

Vs TEQ
Venom Blade: 5 attacks, 3.33 hits, 2.77 wounds, 0.46 unsaved wounds
Agoniser: 5 attacks, 3.33 hits, 1.66 wounds, 1.11 unsaved wounds

Vs GEQ
Venom Blade: 5 attacks, 3.33 hits, 2.77 wounds, 1.85 unsaved wounds
Agoniser: 5 attacks, 3.33 hits, 1.66 wounds, 1.66 unsaved wounds

Basically, Venom Blade against anything with a 5+ or worse armour save and Agoniser against everything else. Personally I face MEQ 90% of the time so for me it's Agoniser all the way.

EDIT - Forgot that Agonisers are only AP3 now. The TEQ stats are:

Vs TEQ
Venom Blade: 5 attacks, 3.33 hits, 2.77 wounds, 0.46 unsaved wounds
Agoniser: 5 attacks, 3.33 hits, 1.66 wounds, 0.27 unsaved wounds

So a little less clear cut than I originally thought.

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PostSubject: Re: Agoniser, huskblade and blast pistol archon?   Tue Sep 18 2012, 09:37

Huskblade and Venom blade is perfectly fine, as your Archon will simply have two close combat weapons and no pistols. Honestly, the time of Agoniser has come to an end. Venom blade is simply better in 6e.

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PostSubject: Re: Agoniser, huskblade and blast pistol archon?   Tue Sep 18 2012, 10:13

Personally seeing as agonisers cost as much on a hekatrix then on a succubus and is twice as effective (2 wounds vs 1 wound) I would say a succubus would be the most cost effective way of using one. Either way you don't need that many weapons on an archon.

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PostSubject: Re: Agoniser, huskblade and blast pistol archon?   Tue Sep 18 2012, 10:28

Good, except for the fact that just about all cc weapons are left handed for some reason.
Any suggestions for conversions.

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PostSubject: Re: Agoniser, huskblade and blast pistol archon?   Tue Sep 18 2012, 10:48

@soulthirster8 wrote:
Good, except for the fact that just about all cc weapons are left handed for some reason.

This has been annoying the crap out of me ever since I started collecting DE. Would it really have killed the sculptor to make the odd weapon right handed? Are all DE left-handed?

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PostSubject: Re: Agoniser, huskblade and blast pistol archon?   Tue Sep 18 2012, 10:50

@Count Adhemar wrote:
Are all DE left-handed?

Clearly only evil people are left handed. Wink

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PostSubject: Re: Agoniser, huskblade and blast pistol archon?   Tue Sep 18 2012, 12:01

@Mushkilla wrote:
@Count Adhemar wrote:
Are all DE left-handed?

Clearly only evil people are left handed. Wink

Makes sense. I hate this thing though!!! Mad
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PostSubject: Re: Agoniser, huskblade and blast pistol archon?   Tue Sep 18 2012, 12:18

I am sure there is a rh weapon in the wyches... I converted the duke that way

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PostSubject: Re: Agoniser, huskblade and blast pistol archon?   Tue Sep 18 2012, 12:23

@Massaen wrote:
I am sure there is a rh weapon in the wyches... I converted the duke that way

Only one I can think of is one of the Razorflails.

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PostSubject: Re: Agoniser, huskblade and blast pistol archon?   Tue Sep 18 2012, 12:34

What do you mean. There's the hydra gauntlets and shardent and impaler if your counting the non-blade weapons.
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PostSubject: Re: Agoniser, huskblade and blast pistol archon?   Tue Sep 18 2012, 13:45

@Mushkilla wrote:
@Count Adhemar wrote:
Are all DE left-handed?

Clearly only evil people are left handed. Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Agoniser, huskblade and blast pistol archon?   Tue Sep 18 2012, 13:54

I think the assumption is you shoot with your dominate hand, though having options would be nice. Maybe try WHFB Corsairs.
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PostSubject: Re: Agoniser, huskblade and blast pistol archon?   Tue Sep 18 2012, 15:06

You can just use the Archon model with Huskblade and soultrap, since you are looking at using both those items any way, that model has an extra blade on his belt already.

I find the Huskblade and Venom Blade the way to go, Venom blade is awesome against greater daemons Huskblade is awesome against terminators, making the Archon just really valuable Smile

PS. don't forget your Archon can still throw a plasma grenade with his 7bs even with the 2 swords it's a nice str 4 ap 4 blast that probably won't scatter much, and if you need to take out a vehicle you can put on a haywire grenade that the Archon can throw (and likely not miss) then charge and use in cc (and again likely not miss) making it pretty easy for your Archon to drop two hull points if you really needed your Archon to do that, which makes the blast pistol a big waste of points.

I should also point out that you can take a Succubus with an agoniser + V.B. and Haywire for a poor mans Archon (or just drop the Agoniser for even cheaper version)

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PostSubject: Re: Agoniser, huskblade and blast pistol archon?   Tue Sep 18 2012, 15:31

I personnaly have a blaster ( not pistol, pistol sucks on S3 models when you can just take a normal blaster ) and an agonizer, but I'm wondering about getting a huskblade instead of it.
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PostSubject: Re: Agoniser, huskblade and blast pistol archon?   Tue Sep 18 2012, 22:53

Well, Count Adhemar I will have to give you that, the mathhammer is right.
Just a thought, maybe those extra 15 points can make more kills if you put them elswhere?

To compare a 5p weapon with a 20p weapon isn't fair <.<

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PostSubject: Re: Agoniser, huskblade and blast pistol archon?   Tue Sep 18 2012, 23:21

If you arm your archon with the venom blade and huskblade, do you get +1 attack for two close combat weapons?


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PostSubject: Re: Agoniser, huskblade and blast pistol archon?   Wed Sep 19 2012, 02:10

I rip the arms off raider crews since they have weapons in their right hands. Also on a side note, being lefthanded is considered bad in virtually every culture. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Agoniser, huskblade and blast pistol archon?   Wed Sep 19 2012, 08:43

@pehldog63 wrote:
If u arm ur archon with the venom blade and huskblade due u get +1 attack for two close combat weapons

Yes, In these edition of 40k you will.
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PostSubject: Re: Agoniser, huskblade and blast pistol archon?   Wed Sep 19 2012, 09:09

But I guess that the attack from the extra weapon won't benefit the special rules from the other.
Like a pistol.
Need to check in the rulebook though.

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I rip the arms off raider crews since they have weapons in their right hands. Also on a side note, being lefthanded is considered bad in virtually every culture.
I think you could already say "was considered" since it's getting better and better.
And W40k takes place in the far future so ...
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PostSubject: Re: Agoniser, huskblade and blast pistol archon?   Wed Sep 19 2012, 11:14

I don't really understand why people even use venom blades when they could just hit it with a Huskblade and instant death it.

Is it just for when all of the enemy ICs and MCs have Eternal Warrior?

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PostSubject: Re: Agoniser, huskblade and blast pistol archon?   Thu Sep 20 2012, 04:30

@Fruz wrote:
But I guess that the attack from the extra weapon won't benefit the special rules from the other.
Like a pistol.
Need to check in the rulebook though.

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I rip the arms off raider crews since they have weapons in their right hands. Also on a side note, being lefthanded is considered bad in virtually every culture.
I think you could already say "was considered" since it's getting better and better.
And W40k takes place in the far future so ...

No offense ment to my lefthanded brothers/sisters. I just think it's super cool that the word for left in itallian means sinister, very appropriate for the dark kin Very Happy . Besides I'm a fencer and fencing lefties is always the hardest for me! lol Embarassed
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