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PostSubject: Re: Chapter Approved Rumors   Chapter Approved Rumors - Page 4 I_icon_minitimeSun Dec 01 2019, 12:45

Well...I am happy overall. I guessed Dissies at +5 points, but they bumped up Ravagers (+15, 3 Dissies) and Razorwing (+10, 2 dissies) so not really a surprise here.
But we got discount on Archons and Grots, so yes just a little bump overall. triRavagers is far for being dead.

And I love the point decrease overall. I'm pretty interested in Reavers, at 16 points they're cheap! You can swarm them now. I like Mandrakes too, I was using them before and I'll play them now. Embarked Mandrakes are pretty good.

Incubi are stunning now on Ynnari detatchment. And Drazhar for 100 points it's nearly mandatory. He is an huge beatstick, expecially if warlord (even if you're going to lose him thougth).

Ynnari got a indirect boost because of Hellions, Reavers, Incubi points drop. I can figure an Outrider Detatchment with them.
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PostSubject: Re: Chapter Approved Rumors   Chapter Approved Rumors - Page 4 I_icon_minitimeSun Dec 01 2019, 13:25

Grotesques haven't gone down in price, unfortunately.
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PostSubject: Re: Chapter Approved Rumors   Chapter Approved Rumors - Page 4 I_icon_minitimeSun Dec 01 2019, 14:29

Ah, my mistake. I forgot to include the cost for their Flesh Gauntlets.
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PostSubject: Re: Chapter Approved Rumors   Chapter Approved Rumors - Page 4 I_icon_minitimeSun Dec 01 2019, 14:37

Oh, +3 for the blade right?
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PostSubject: Re: Chapter Approved Rumors   Chapter Approved Rumors - Page 4 I_icon_minitimeSun Dec 01 2019, 14:56

Yes, sadly.
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PostSubject: Re: Chapter Approved Rumors   Chapter Approved Rumors - Page 4 I_icon_minitimeSun Dec 01 2019, 15:43

That's fine. I thought GW were going to push up their price so if they stay at 35 they still super good.
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PostSubject: Re: Chapter Approved Rumors   Chapter Approved Rumors - Page 4 I_icon_minitimeSun Dec 01 2019, 18:40

What the points in changing them but making the weapon cost more? The traits dont give a FG +1 to hit....

Anyways. I'm putting away Ravagers now for sure. I already was about to. Its so stupid they went up in points. Well now i'll do what i was thinking of doing, 5 DT Raiders and 6 DT Venoms, and 6 Talos, with a +1 to charge, my goal is to rush up 30 Wracks turn 2, with re-rolls it should be easy. Tested it out once and it worked out really well.

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PostSubject: Re: Chapter Approved Rumors   Chapter Approved Rumors - Page 4 I_icon_minitimeSun Dec 01 2019, 18:57

@amishprn86 wrote:
What the points in changing them but making the weapon cost more? The traits dont give a FG +1 to hit....

Nothing about them has changed here. They were 32 in the Codex and they're 32 in Chapter Approved, it's just that a lot of initial leaks forgot that they came equipped with Flesh Gauntlets automatically (which adds another 3 points to them). It's the same reason that a lot of early rumours said that Venoms were going down ten points - people forgot that they come with one Splinter Cannon by default.
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PostSubject: Re: Chapter Approved Rumors   Chapter Approved Rumors - Page 4 I_icon_minitimeSun Dec 01 2019, 19:29

Ah ok, so people not knowing the army lol.

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PostSubject: Re: Chapter Approved Rumors   Chapter Approved Rumors - Page 4 I_icon_minitimeMon Dec 02 2019, 12:11

@amishprn86 wrote:
What the points in changing them but making the weapon cost more? The traits dont give a FG +1 to hit....

Anyways. I'm putting away Ravagers now for sure. I already was about to. Its so stupid they went up in points. Well now i'll do what i was thinking of doing, 5 DT Raiders and 6 DT Venoms, and 6 Talos, with a +1 to charge, my goal is to rush up 30 Wracks turn 2, with re-rolls it should be easy. Tested it out once and it worked out really well.

You've inspired me, here in Argentina the tournaments are at 1500 points but I think I can get 3 venons, 3 raiders and 5 talos with darktechnomancers. It will be weird to play without the shots of the ravagers. Surely add a black heart battalion with 3 squads of kabalites with blasters and two archons with blasters.

Another subject:
Was the shardnet and impaler point increase justified?
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PostSubject: Re: Chapter Approved Rumors   Chapter Approved Rumors - Page 4 I_icon_minitimeMon Dec 02 2019, 12:19

@velaresh wrote:
Another subject:
Was the shardnet and impaler point increase justified?

Like so many changes in CA it probably would have been before the Marine meta. Trapping enemy Infantry in combat doesn't feel too strong now when they're probably just going to punch your Wyches to death anyways.
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PostSubject: Re: Chapter Approved Rumors   Chapter Approved Rumors - Page 4 I_icon_minitimeMon Dec 02 2019, 12:31

@Burnage wrote:
@velaresh wrote:
Another subject:
Was the shardnet and impaler point increase justified?

Like so many changes in CA it probably would have been before the Marine meta. Trapping enemy Infantry in combat doesn't feel too strong now when they're probably just going to punch your Wyches to death anyways.


Yes new marines destroy witches in combat and overwatch ,only squad with a Acrobatic Display survive a few more turns.
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PostSubject: Re: Chapter Approved Rumors   Chapter Approved Rumors - Page 4 I_icon_minitimeMon Dec 02 2019, 13:02

@velaresh wrote:
@amishprn86 wrote:
What the points in changing them but making the weapon cost more? The traits dont give a FG +1 to hit....

Anyways. I'm putting away Ravagers now for sure. I already was about to. Its so stupid they went up in points. Well now i'll do what i was thinking of doing, 5 DT Raiders and 6 DT Venoms, and 6 Talos, with a +1 to charge, my goal is to rush up 30 Wracks turn 2, with re-rolls it should be easy. Tested it out once and it worked out really well.

You've inspired me, here in Argentina the tournaments are at 1500 points but I think I can get 3 venons, 3 raiders and 5 talos with darktechnomancers. It will be weird to play without the shots of the ravagers. Surely add a black heart battalion with 3 squads of kabalites with blasters and two archons with blasters.

Another subject:
Was the shardnet and impaler point increase justified?

Shardnets went up? By how much?

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PostSubject: Re: Chapter Approved Rumors   Chapter Approved Rumors - Page 4 I_icon_minitimeMon Dec 02 2019, 13:03

Wait, Shardnet goes up in points?
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PostSubject: Re: Chapter Approved Rumors   Chapter Approved Rumors - Page 4 I_icon_minitimeMon Dec 02 2019, 13:10

They've gone up to 8.
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PostSubject: Re: Chapter Approved Rumors   Chapter Approved Rumors - Page 4 I_icon_minitimeMon Dec 02 2019, 13:16

Why nerf wyches at all? No one plays them heavily and they are not in the meta.... so stupid.

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PostSubject: Re: Chapter Approved Rumors   Chapter Approved Rumors - Page 4 I_icon_minitimeMon Dec 02 2019, 13:46

Mmm, acceptable. 4++ in melee and no retreat are 2 super good combo. And it has damage2 even, yeah I'm fine with that.
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PostSubject: Re: Chapter Approved Rumors   Chapter Approved Rumors - Page 4 I_icon_minitimeMon Dec 02 2019, 13:56

Anyone hear if any of the following got a points adjustment?
Hornets
Warp Hunter
Lynx
Corsair Jetbikes

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PostSubject: Re: Chapter Approved Rumors   Chapter Approved Rumors - Page 4 I_icon_minitimeMon Dec 02 2019, 14:02

@Skulnbonz wrote:
Anyone hear if any of the following got a points adjustment?
Hornets
Warp Hunter
Lynx
Corsair Jetbikes

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Hornets are down 10.
Warp Hunters no change.
Lynx no change.
Corsair Cloud Dancers are down 4.
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PostSubject: Re: Chapter Approved Rumors   Chapter Approved Rumors - Page 4 I_icon_minitimeMon Dec 02 2019, 15:24

@amishprn86 wrote:
Why nerf wyches at all? No one plays them heavily and they are not in the meta.... so stupid.

I mean it's not that bad of an increase. If you're taking say 3 wych squads, that's only a 9pts increase, hardly a fatal change. And seems a fair number of people have been using wych units, their utility of tying units up in melee hasn't changed. That being said shock assault has made using wyches against marines a bit of a hassle, you really need a lot of them to take on a marine unit.

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PostSubject: Re: Chapter Approved Rumors   Chapter Approved Rumors - Page 4 I_icon_minitimeMon Dec 02 2019, 23:25

And SM gets that rule now for free, on better bodies. And it only works on infantry, in which we are 99% likely to kill off or be killed and we we are not we will just wrap them. I have been playing 30 Wyches with 9 Nets for a lot time now (I just like wyches) out of 30+ games, not once did the net rule even matter.


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PostSubject: Re: Chapter Approved Rumors   Chapter Approved Rumors - Page 4 I_icon_minitimeTue Dec 03 2019, 02:49

Marines get a rule that enemies can't retreat from combat??
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PostSubject: Re: Chapter Approved Rumors   Chapter Approved Rumors - Page 4 I_icon_minitimeTue Dec 03 2019, 04:40

White scars have relic for it. Which also stupidly works on planes

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PostSubject: Re: Chapter Approved Rumors   Chapter Approved Rumors - Page 4 I_icon_minitimeTue Dec 03 2019, 05:17

@Sarcron wrote:
White scars have relic for it. Which also stupidly works on planes

Unless you're referring to something else, it's a warlord trait. and in the errata it states that it has no effect on units with a minimum move characteristic.
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PostSubject: Re: Chapter Approved Rumors   Chapter Approved Rumors - Page 4 I_icon_minitimeTue Dec 03 2019, 10:57

Well, I played the nets since the new Codex and I can't count how many times it was usefull. In can giess like 9 time any 10 games.
Multiple times for game.

SM have it as a WL Trait, on 1 Chapter. Our is an equipment on Troop.
and HQs. There'ss no comparison on that, our is way more better.
Night Lords maybe have the best one (no roll) but it is a stratagem. So it's the best, except vs GSC and Vect.

We can argue that anyone can do a pinch. But nets are not good just for that, they're the only weapon at D2 for Wyches which is pretty good in this meta.

PS: don't forget that Succubi w/Shardnet are dope
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