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"In it, we can see some Howling Banshees battling a force of Incubi – Asuryani and Drukhari locked in mortal combat, just as they have been so many times since the Fall of their galaxy-spanning empire.Yet who are the mighty champions duelling at the centre of the illustration "

Nice cant wait to get all of them and put them together as allies in a soup list for the lulz ^_^
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The raider variant did catch my eye, but more likely its artistic licence. No different than someone doing a conversion on their models. My Venoms have 2 underslung cannons, but game wise it makes no difference to a stock venom.
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I have to be honest, this has all but killed my interest in the book. Since it's clear that the only new models we'll be getting is Incubi and Drazhar. i.e. 2 units that already have models.

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It's not clear at all that this is all we'll be getting, just that this is confirmed as what's first. I'm feeling pretty vindicated that I called plastic Incubi and and new Drazhar as soon as they showed the plastic Banshee and said this chapter of Psychic Awakening was called Phoenix Rising and was all about Eldar vs. Eldar.

I'm calling that new looking vehicle as a teaser of the new Dais of Destruction. It's not a Tantalus or a Reaper, and there are several normal looking Raiders in the image, so we can be pretty sure it's not a new Raider.

Seeing the official hi-rez wallpaper version, there is definitely something Incubi-looking that absolutely has a pistol that it's firing at a Banshee. Since we've seen a preview of the Klaivex with no mention of pistol options, I'm betting it's supposed to be an Archon, maybe indicating a new plastic Archon kit. Duke Sliscus had a pistol, so it *might* be him, but he also had 2 swords, and that guy only seems to have one, but it's hard to tell. For some reason, I am reminded of the Volturnos High King of the Deep AoS kit, which can be modeled as the named character and has several weapon and head options for unnamed Akhelian Kings. It's conceivable that if they give us a new Archon kit, it might come with options like that, which would be nice, since the current plastic Archon is so mono-pose and has no weapon options whatsoever, not even a single alternate head. I don't see them giving us a new generic Archon alone, since this event seems to be themed around resurrecting old characters, so I wouldn't be surprised to see a multi-part plastic generic-Archon/named-Archon character kit, if we get a new Archon.

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Hm, I was definitley wrong about the two previous things I've said, but in regards to the ship, (assuming we're talking about the one furthest to the right), it looks quite like a reaper. Just with extended 'wings' on the side.

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I could be dreaming but it looks like the incubi jumping down from the raider is also holding a pistol like object?
I'm hoping for a plastic tantalus just from the fact that they used the word in the text: "It’s tantalisingly close".
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@Scrz wrote:
I could be dreaming but it looks like the incubi jumping down from the raider is also holding a pistol like object?
I'm hoping for a plastic tantalus just from the fact that they used the word in the text: "It’s tantalisingly close".

No Horns, its most likely a Kabal, but if you saw one of my other posts, Incubi used to have pistols, but it was "Mind bullets" they had special helmets (Oh go figure they still kinda do in looks only now) gave them a pistol shot and +1 to attacks in melee.

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@Scrz wrote:
I'm hoping for a plastic tantalus just from the fact that they used the word in the text: "It’s tantalisingly close".

I didn't catch that little play on words... very interesting! I wonder if they'd give us a plastic Tantalus that's also a multi-part kit Dais of Destruction...

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@amishprn86 wrote:
@Scrz wrote:
I could be dreaming but it looks like the incubi jumping down from the raider is also holding a pistol like object?
I'm hoping for a plastic tantalus just from the fact that they used the word in the text: "It’s tantalisingly close".

No Horns, its most likely a Kabal, but if you saw one of my other posts, Incubi used to have pistols, but it was "Mind bullets" they had special helmets (Oh go figure they still kinda do in looks only now) gave them a pistol shot and +1 to attacks in melee.

I see horns there. Although they are small enough to possibly be a kabalite helmet variant. If you are referring to the oldhammer incubi gun hats, yeah I have played with those. That was glorious times indeed. Smile To be clear I would rather incubi not have hand held pistols. If they need a shooting attack then a remodeled gunhat or a firing mechanism integrated in the blade a la custodes would be less... cheapening. It would be fun to be able to give one member a blaster again though. Very Happy
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@Scrz wrote:
@amishprn86 wrote:
@Scrz wrote:
I could be dreaming but it looks like the incubi jumping down from the raider is also holding a pistol like object?
I'm hoping for a plastic tantalus just from the fact that they used the word in the text: "It’s tantalisingly close".

No Horns, its most likely a Kabal, but if you saw one of my other posts, Incubi used to have pistols, but it was "Mind bullets" they had special helmets (Oh go figure they still kinda do in looks only now) gave them a pistol shot and +1 to attacks in melee.

I see horns there. Although they are small enough to possibly be a kabalite helmet variant. If you are referring to the oldhammer incubi gun hats, yeah I have played with those. That was glorious times indeed. Smile To be clear I would rather incubi not have hand held pistols. If they need a shooting attack then a remodeled gunhat or a firing mechanism integrated in the blade a la custodes would be less... cheapening. It would be fun to be able to give one member a blaster again though. Very Happy

Those are not Horns at all, look at the difference between them and others with horns, they are for sure kabals, they are the Ear Blades my friend likes to call them.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/PsychicAwakening_AeldariWallpaper_1920x1080.jpg

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wait wait wait
wasnt there a rumor a while back that we get a lord of war/ superheavy choice?
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@AzraeI wrote:
wait wait wait
wasnt there a rumor a while back that we get a lord of war/ superheavy choice?
A Vect Ziggourat?

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@amishprn86 wrote:


Those are not Horns at all, look at the difference between them and others with horns, they are for sure kabals, they are the Ear Blades my friend likes to call them.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/PsychicAwakening_AeldariWallpaper_1920x1080.jpg

I agree the squad on the raider looks more like kabalite warriors equiped with pistols and swords, which also is strange. Besides the horns the lack of the two trophy racks(?) on the back is also showing that they are no incubi. If that is not artistic freedom, maybe trueborn come back as a unit of all sybarits. But i don't think blastpistolborns sounds as good as blasterborns.^^
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I wouldnt count on a new vect or his pimpwagon and new trueborn are also highly unlikely
but some sort of tantalus esque model in the far future is possible
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@AzraeI wrote:
I wouldnt count on a new vect or his pimpwagon and new trueborn are also highly unlikely
but some sort of tantalus esque model in the far future is possible

the design of the original tantalus is near perfect imo, i would be happy if they just made it plastic and moved it to the lord of war role with updated rules...
or if im asking too much just the last part, update the rules :/
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A new trueborn miniature with inspiration taken from the old 3rd Edition Kabalite helmet? That would be interesting to see but I'm not expecting us to get anything new but failcast replacements in plastic. Then again I could be wrong, if they want to give Ynnari new toys (in the case of the Tantalus and Reaper easier access to them) without making unique toys for them then we might actually see something with two different rules like we have seen with the Banshee Exarch.

Regardless, I will stand by the old adage, "expect the worst, hope for the best."

Edit: I agree, I think the Tantalus is perfect in design, it is my favorite boat for Dark Eldar.
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If the Tantalus became a LoW it needs new rules, a 4++, addition +1 toughness, 8+ more wounds, etc.. as of right now its 150pts over costed for what it is.

But i would love plastic one, wishful thinking. Razz

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considering what race we play and our past with gw I think the best we can hope for is a Incubi/ trueborn combi set and drazhar
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Having a closer look at the pistol bearing incubus... it looks more like a Dracon with a powersword/blast pistol combination, and there are definitely reapers in the background. TINFOIL HAT TIME, as the name of this whole thing is "Phsycic Awakening" and we have yet to see any "awakened" psychers or psychic abilities I would be that the entire campaign is going to feature the entire Aeldari and Druhkari races against all the other factions in some form or another and as the campaign goes on we will be getting more and more stuff (one model at a time) and its just kicking off with eldar v. Dark eldar and will become collective eldar v. Slannesh by the end, with trueborn and bloodbrides making an appearance as newly awakened, two flavors of psycher, with blood/vampiric type abilities
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@Archon_91 wrote:
Having a closer look at the pistol bearing incubus... it looks more like a Dracon with a powersword/blast pistol combination, and there are definitely reapers in the background. TINFOIL HAT TIME, as the name of this whole thing is "Phsycic Awakening" and we have yet to see any "awakened" psychers or psychic abilities I would be that the entire campaign is going to feature the entire Aeldari and Druhkari races against all the other factions in some form or another and as the campaign goes on we will be getting more and more stuff (one model at a time) and its just kicking off with eldar v. Dark eldar and will become collective eldar v. Slannesh by the end, with trueborn and bloodbrides making an appearance as newly awakened, two flavors of psycher, with blood/vampiric type abilities

wow that is a whole other level of optimism right there...! we went from "ah screw it we probably wont get anything" to "we will get something with every release" i love it ^_^
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I hope the Dark Eldar never get psykers. The Dark Eldar don't utilize Psykers because they repress it and allow it to entropy to protect themselves from Slaanesh. It isn't that they are are a breed without psyker abilities waiting to be awoken in them in mass number like the Humans. The entire Eldar race is born psychic and it is a cultural decision of the Dark Eldar to turn away from what they naturally have (I suspect that vat grown Eldar are probably created with it already suppressed). To have the Dark Eldar embrace their Psychic abilities is to make them no longer the Dark Eldar. They would just be Evil Craftworlders (The more depraved Corsairs are pretty much what you are making them into while removing the wraithbone technology) who don't use Spirit Stones and don't use psychicly created technology/materials.
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I can see Dark Eldar units utilizing Psychic Abilities in a Ynnari army. I don't know much about Ynnari lore, but aren't Eldar souls bound to Ynnead if they become part of the Ynnari? So, they shouldn't fear the reprecussions quite as much.

Now, if they also reside outside of Commorragh there is no reason left why former DE shouldn't pursue training of Psychic Abilities. Just by chance, there have to be strong Psykers among DE that never came to pursue their talents because of Vect's policies.

Probably, their abilities would be more primitive and fragile. It would make sense if they had a rule similar to "Wild Psykers" from 7th ed Corsairs. Potentially very powerful but also risky.

It would be a nice incentive to play Ynnari. For some additional points/CP our HQs could get psychic abilities. Potentially some of our sergeants too (like the Klaivex).

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Yes one thing that worries me tbh is exactly that. That they will utilise us in ynnari armies and not in our own faction. Can you imagine the incubi stay the worthless BS they are now but get a huge boost if they are ynnari?
I hope I'm wrong but this is my huge fear for this campaign
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I would find it strange if Incubi had a different profile in a DE and Ynnari army. I don't play Ynnari myself, but their unit profiles are exactly the same, are they not?

I expect Incubi getting a new profile on a provided datasheet and Ynnari getting a little bit extra, such as access to psychic abilities (or maybe not, who knows). But apart from that I don't expect much else apart from another anti-psyker strategem.

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Here's one idea that could be feasible; an Ynnari stratagem that allows you to pick one <Reborn Drukhari> character and turn them into a Psyker. Something like... grants Pysker keyword if they didn't have it already, +1 casts and denies a round, +1 psychic powers learned from Revenant, can be used up to twice on a single character.
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