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drdoom222222
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PostSubject: Purest of Pure Black heart army 1750   Purest of Pure Black heart army 1750 I_icon_minitimeTue Sep 10 2019, 12:18

This is the army I'm thinking of taking to a tourney in jan 2020. I feel it represents the Kabal of the Black Hearts massive numbers and resources, and yet could be quite good in tournament. (alot of dakka (63 dis. cannon shots!). Thoughts?

BLACK HEART Battalion detachment
HQ
Archon
Huskblade
Phantasm grenade launcher
Total 79

Archon
Venom blade
Phantasm grenade launcher
Total 75

TROOPS
5 kabalite warriors
Blaster
Total 47

5 kabalite warriors
Blaster
Total 47

5 kabalite warriors
Blaster
Total 47

5 kabalite warriors
Blaster
Total 47

5 kabalite warriors
Shredder
Total 38

5 kabalite warriors
Shredder
Total 38

DEDICATED TRANSPORTS
Raider + Dis. Cannon
Total 80

Raider + Dis. Cannon
Total 80

Raider + Dis. Cannon
Total 80

Raider + Dis. Cannon
Total 80

Raider + Dis. Cannon
Total 80

Raider + Dis. Cannon
Total 80

Total for detachment 898
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BLACK HEART spearhead detachment
Archon (living muse)relic
Venom blade
Total 72

Heavy
Ravager + 3 Dis.cannons
Total 125

Ravager + 3 Dis.cannons
Total 125

Ravager + 3 Dis.cannons
Total 125

Total for detachment 447

BLACK HEART airwing detachment
Flyers
Razorwing Jet fighter + dis. Can.
Total 135

Razorwing Jet fighter + dis. Can.
Total 135

Razorwing Jet fighter + dis. Can.
Total 135

Total for detachment 405


Overall Total 1750
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PostSubject: Re: Purest of Pure Black heart army 1750   Purest of Pure Black heart army 1750 I_icon_minitimeTue Sep 10 2019, 16:10

You will struggle against anything with good invul. I'm thinking about those nasty nurgle flys
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PostSubject: Re: Purest of Pure Black heart army 1750   Purest of Pure Black heart army 1750 I_icon_minitimeTue Sep 10 2019, 16:19

That's nothing really new though for our army as a whole, it's not like we have a whole lot of units that can shoot right through an invul. You could take haywire scourges for that, but with 63 disintegrator cannon shots, I don't really think that is necessary.

Only thing I might change is taking less half full raiders. Yes dissie cannons are great, but you could shave off one or two and take more warriors, or maybe take some venoms. Overall though seems solid to me.

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PostSubject: Re: Purest of Pure Black heart army 1750   Purest of Pure Black heart army 1750 I_icon_minitimeWed Sep 11 2019, 10:50

Is this ITC, ETC, RTT?

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PostSubject: Re: Purest of Pure Black heart army 1750   Purest of Pure Black heart army 1750 I_icon_minitimeWed Sep 11 2019, 20:16

@Lord Asvaldir wrote:
That's nothing really new though for our army as a whole, it's not like we have a whole lot of units that can shoot right through an invul. You could take haywire scourges for that, but with 63 disintegrator cannon shots, I don't really think that is necessary.

Only thing I might change is taking less half full raiders. Yes dissie cannons are great, but you could shave off one or two and take more warriors, or maybe take some venoms. Overall though seems solid to me.

Mass splinter do well against infantry with high toughness and invul.
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PostSubject: Re: Purest of Pure Black heart army 1750   Purest of Pure Black heart army 1750 I_icon_minitimeWed Sep 11 2019, 22:54

Infantry sure, but there's a lot of high T models with invul saves that poison doesn't work against- knights come to mind.

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PostSubject: Re: Purest of Pure Black heart army 1750   Purest of Pure Black heart army 1750 I_icon_minitimeThu Sep 12 2019, 17:56

@Lord Asvaldir wrote:
Infantry sure, but there's a lot of high T models with invul saves that poison doesn't work against- knights come to mind.

Those are dealt with with haywire
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PostSubject: Re: Purest of Pure Black heart army 1750   Purest of Pure Black heart army 1750 I_icon_minitimeFri Sep 13 2019, 15:11

They are, though we sadly don't have as much easy access to haywire as I would like. Talos don't do it very efficiently, and scourges often don't last long to make enough return on it. That being said I've had good turns with scourges of stripping 8 wounds off knights sometimes, that's a pretty good return on them.

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PostSubject: Re: Purest of Pure Black heart army 1750   Purest of Pure Black heart army 1750 I_icon_minitimeSat Sep 14 2019, 13:52

There is a reason why many DE players ally in a unit of Skyweavers, 6D6 Haywire shots on a -2 to hit, 3++ unit is really strong.

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PostSubject: Re: Purest of Pure Black heart army 1750   Purest of Pure Black heart army 1750 I_icon_minitimeSat Sep 14 2019, 18:25

Yeah boy that's so many more shots than scourges, not to mention harder to kill. I like being a DE purist, but that's a real potent tool.

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PostSubject: Re: Purest of Pure Black heart army 1750   Purest of Pure Black heart army 1750 I_icon_minitimeYesterday at 00:32

Thanks for the replies guys. The tournament is kinda mix of maelstrom and eternal war missions stuck together with a relic mission in the mix as well, there will be 5 missions to play over 2 days. normally between 20-30 players at it.

I love themed armies, and find it a challenge to come up with a decent heavily themed list that will do reasonably well at a tournament. I tend to hamstring myself somewhat as a result! I also use these tournaments tp push me to get certain elements of my army painted.

Last year I brought a black heart brigade with 3 ravagers, 3 units of haywire scourge and 3 units of mandrakes which performed reasonably well. This year im kicking out the mercs, only trueborn allowed, so hence the list,

I don't really do allies, it just doesn't feel right to me. lord asvaldir, I like your suggestion about dropping a raider or two. Its given me an idea........thanks.
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