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PostSubject: Re: Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising   Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising - Page 30 I_icon_minitimeTue Oct 22 2019, 07:41

Great... So is this the hyped event that is so important as the Horus Heresy and that will move the story forward because I'm not seeing it... Did actually anything happen or did they just lay bare the stupid plan to kill everyone to save the race BS which we already knew..?
Who the f cares about what the ynnari are doing anyway..?
Seriously is there anybody here who likes this stupid storyline and why do they keep clinging to this failed experiment so tightly I don't understand...
Maybe they have made up their mind to pull an aos on 40k and this is all they can come up with?
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PostSubject: Re: Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising   Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising - Page 30 I_icon_minitimeTue Oct 22 2019, 08:40

One thing I'm still confused about with the storyline is the rules stating no Haemonculii in Ynarri. Okay... I guess? But then they've straight up written in haemonculii as being present in the ynarri armies, in the phoenix rising book.

Wat.

Can they make up their mind?

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PostSubject: Re: Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising   Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising - Page 30 I_icon_minitimeTue Oct 22 2019, 10:51

Yeah the story for Ynnari is so freaking bad. I love the models but at this point just completely remove Ynnari and blend the models into the other factions, Ycarne in quins as their cegorach avatar, Visarch with DE and Yvarine as CWE.

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PostSubject: Re: Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising   Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising - Page 30 I_icon_minitimeTue Oct 22 2019, 10:59

I'd probably mind the Ynnari fluff a lot less if their rules hadn't been written by a haddock. And then nerfed anyway for some incomprehensible reason.


In terms of fluff, I'll freely admit that I haven't read much of it. Mostly because nothing in the pieces I have read has ever made me want to read more.

I don't know, fluffwise it just seems the least interesting direction to take the various Eldar races.

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PostSubject: Re: Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising   Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising - Page 30 I_icon_minitimeTue Oct 22 2019, 11:06

The fluff was a little bad at the start, but you could look past some of it and see some good potential (some good political/civil war campaigns, lots animosity not just between the aeldari but also the space marines) as more and more Ynnari fluff is coming out its like it is written by a 2 year old writing a story using his toys trying to mock Dragonball fights (i really feel this way).

I have a reading disability and warhammer gets me to read, but i cant stand reading Aeldari crap anymore, its really putting me off.

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PostSubject: Re: Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising   Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising - Page 30 I_icon_minitimeTue Oct 22 2019, 11:19

@amishprn86 wrote:
Yeah the story for Ynnari is so freaking bad. I love the models but at this point just completely remove Ynnari and blend the models into the other factions, Ycarne in quins as their cegorach avatar, Visarch with DE and Yvarine as CWE.

Yvraine should be a Malys model.

Also, here's a rumour for the next Psychic Awakening book: Space Marines get a stratagem to upgrade some of their HQs into stronger versions of themselves.

Gosh, I can't imagine any other faction that might have benefited from different versions of HQs. None at all. None. At. All.
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PostSubject: Re: Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising   Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising - Page 30 I_icon_minitimeTue Oct 22 2019, 11:33

@Burnage wrote:
@amishprn86 wrote:
Yeah the story for Ynnari is so freaking bad. I love the models but at this point just completely remove Ynnari and blend the models into the other factions, Ycarne in quins as their cegorach avatar, Visarch with DE and Yvarine as CWE.

Yvraine should be a Malys model.

Also, here's a rumour for the next Psychic Awakening book: Space Marines get a stratagem to upgrade some of their HQs into stronger versions of themselves.

Gosh, I can't imagine any other faction that might have benefited from different versions of HQs. None at all. None. At. All.

OFC they get that and not something that could have worked for Ynnari, again, ynnari is a bust. At this point i think they just don't care about ynnari anymore.

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PostSubject: Re: Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising   Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising - Page 30 I_icon_minitimeTue Oct 22 2019, 12:56

@Burnage wrote:

Also, here's a rumour for the next Psychic Awakening book: Space Marines get a stratagem to upgrade some of their HQs into stronger versions of themselves.

Gosh, I can't imagine any other faction that might have benefited from different versions of HQs. None at all. None. At. All.


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PostSubject: Re: Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising   Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising - Page 30 I_icon_minitimeTue Oct 22 2019, 14:18

@Sarcron wrote:
One thing I'm still confused about with the storyline is the rules stating no Haemonculii in Ynarri. Okay... I guess? But then they've straight up written in haemonculii as being present in the ynarri armies, in the phoenix rising book.

Wat.

Can they make up their mind?

The rules for Ynarri don't reflect the fluff at all. You should be able to take Jain Zar, Lelith, or Eldrad.. or Solitaires, as per fluff. But you can't. For reasons.

You can approximate it by taking an allied detachment with the above characters, or an allied coven to represent those with Ynarri sympathies. However, for whatever reason, strict limitations are imposed on actual Ynarri detachments, despite Ynarri having been heavily nerfed from their 7th ed incarnation. For reasons.
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PostSubject: Re: Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising   Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising - Page 30 I_icon_minitimeTue Oct 22 2019, 14:56

@Sarcron wrote:
One thing I'm still confused about with the storyline is the rules stating no Haemonculii in Ynarri. Okay... I guess? But then they've straight up written in haemonculii as being present in the ynarri armies, in the phoenix rising book.

Wat.

Can they make up their mind?

If you read the haemonculus Coven supplement aswell they briefly mention a sect that worships Ynnesd and thinks they can save the eldar race by killing every single Eldar.
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PostSubject: Re: Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising   Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising - Page 30 I_icon_minitimeTue Oct 22 2019, 16:56

Fluff Ynnari might want to kill off the eldar to kill slanesh but I'm pretty sure no one who plays any eldar faction actually wants that to happen. An end times 40k is on no-ones wish list.
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PostSubject: Re: Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising   Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising - Page 30 I_icon_minitimeTue Oct 22 2019, 17:13

@Serpent Fly wrote:
Fluff Ynnari might want to kill off the eldar to kill slanesh but I'm pretty sure no one who plays any eldar faction actually wants that to happen. An end times 40k is on no-ones wish list.

Well, their plan, as outlined in Phoenix Rising, isn't a terrible one.

Basically, the idea is that they kill off most or all Eldar to make Ynnead powerful enough to destroy Slaanesh. Then, after Slaanesh is destroyed, haemonculus resurrection tech can be used to bring all the Eldar back, to start a new Eldar race. It's actually a sound plan, but most Eldar don't want to risk it, in case things don't go as expected.

It sort of puts Eldar at a similar impasse that the Imperium has, with the idea that killing the Emperor will actually allow him to be reborn and usher in a new age for humanity. Most are unwilling to risk that plan, as well.
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PostSubject: Re: Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising   Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising - Page 30 I_icon_minitimeTue Oct 22 2019, 18:44

When the galaxy tore open, we traded one status quo in for another
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PostSubject: Re: Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising   Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising - Page 30 I_icon_minitimeTue Oct 22 2019, 23:22

I feel like I've walked back in time and I'm reading all my old posts from 2016 about the Gathering Storm book.

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PostSubject: Re: Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising   Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising - Page 30 I_icon_minitimeWed Oct 23 2019, 03:44

Interesting to see they've embraced the ex machina of the Haemonucouls cloning everyone back.
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PostSubject: Re: Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising   Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising - Page 30 I_icon_minitimeWed Oct 23 2019, 04:59

@False Son wrote:
Interesting to see they've embraced the ex machina of the Haemonucouls cloning everyone back.


I mean, it's something that they can do, so it would make sense for someone to get the idea that it could be applied to *all* Eldar. Of course, getting Haemonculi to 'open license' their tech in a way that doesn't directly benefit them... well, good luck with that.
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PostSubject: Re: Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising   Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising - Page 30 I_icon_minitimeWed Oct 23 2019, 08:51

But... But their plan has been known since gathering storm if I'm not mistaken...?
So in what way did the story move forward for aeldari in this campaign..? What was the point of phoenix rising to have jain zar kill drazhar..? Whom they did not even reveal out right he is a phoenix Lord and just hinted it like they always do..?
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PostSubject: Re: Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising   Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising - Page 30 I_icon_minitimeWed Oct 23 2019, 14:55

I don't recall reading anything about incorporating haemonculi tech into the salvation of the Eldar in Gathering Storm. Granted, I could be mistaken, as I haven't read Gathering Storm since it came out.

I guess the point of Jain Zar killing Drazhar and having him come back (in pretty much the same manner than Jain Zar did - Drazhar killed her first in Shaa-Dom, but a banshee exarch found her armor and put it on to resurrect her) is GWs cheeky way of saying, 'Yes, he's Arhra', without making a direct statement like, "and so Jain Zar warned Yvraine that Arhra was seeking her head' - probably because they wanted to be "clever" about it or something (I mean, I guess he could be some other unknown Phoenix Lord.. but yes, he's obviously Arhra.. unless you want to argue that he's the missing Warp Spider Phoenix Lord Razz)
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PostSubject: Re: Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising   Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising - Page 30 I_icon_minitimeThu Oct 24 2019, 03:06

Didn't they imply that Drazhar was a suit of armor in previous editions?
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PostSubject: Re: Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising   Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising - Page 30 I_icon_minitimeThu Oct 24 2019, 06:26

@False Son wrote:
Didn't they imply that Drazhar was a suit of armor in previous editions?

Yeah.

5th Ed wrote:
Drazhar's mysterious appearance gave rise to many wild theories and unanswered questions. After weeks of rumour and gossip, it was confirmed that none of the Incubi shrines across Commorragh had ever heard of Drazhar, or recognised his unique and ancient battle gear. Some say he is Arhra, the fabled Dark Father of the Incubi incarnate, others that his armour is filled with nothing more than bone-dust... Though Drazhar has become an integral part of the Great Shrine since his dramatic appearance, he has famously never spoken, nor even removed his helmet, not even to eat or sleep.

Arhra? Armour filled with dust? Why not both?
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PostSubject: Re: Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising   Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising - Page 30 I_icon_minitimeThu Oct 24 2019, 09:33

In the blood of the phoenix fluff when jain zar cuts him he bleeds, implying that this is the first time he dies so he wasn't a suit of armour before, after the duel and after the klaivex picks up the armour he becomes dust
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PostSubject: Re: Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising   Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising - Page 30 I_icon_minitimeThu Oct 24 2019, 10:11

Drazhar's now not so unique armour
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PostSubject: Re: Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising   Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising - Page 30 I_icon_minitimeThu Oct 24 2019, 16:39

@DevilDoll wrote:
In the blood of the phoenix fluff when jain zar cuts him he bleeds, implying that this is the first time he dies so he wasn't a suit of armour before, after the duel and after the klaivex picks up the armour he becomes dust

Can you find the quote on that? I don't recall reading anything about him bleeding when Jain Zar cut him... it just said that she decapitated him. There is something written to the effect of 'and the fate of the aeldari was written in blood'. but that's clearly a metaphor.
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@krayd wrote:
@DevilDoll wrote:
In the blood of the phoenix fluff when jain zar cuts him he bleeds, implying that this is the first time he dies so he wasn't a suit of armour before, after the duel and after the klaivex picks up the armour he becomes dust

Can you find the quote on that? I don't recall reading anything about him bleeding when Jain Zar cut him... it just said that she decapitated him. There is something written to the effect of 'and the fate of the aeldari was written in blood'. but that's clearly a metaphor.

i dont own the books yet so i cannot confirm it but here is the discussion where i read it:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Drukhari/comments/dl1it1/phoenix_rising_fluff_discussion/
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PostSubject: Re: Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising   Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising - Page 30 I_icon_minitimeThu Oct 24 2019, 20:31

Well, I read through the appropriate passages a few times last night. I may be wrong, but I don't recall Drazhar, or Jain Zar bleeding. Again, I think someone took 'fate written in blood' literally, and assumed that it meant actual blood.

Also, while not a confirmation of there being no blood (or body) specifically, the passage where the klaivex accidentally resurrects Drazhar implies that she just found a mask and armor. There was no mention of a corpse.
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