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PostSubject: Re: Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising   Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeMon Sep 09 2019, 17:02

@krayd wrote:
Pretty much the entire Ynarri library of strategems needs an update. Several are overcosted; a few are basically useless. Actually, the new book might be a good place for them to put a finalized version of the WD Ynarri index, preferably with updated point costs and refined rules.

That wouldn't be a bad idea.

Would also be nice to see options other than the 3 special characters for making a detachment Ynnari.

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PostSubject: Re: Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising   Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeMon Sep 09 2019, 17:03

First update's up, revealing the Banshee Exarch model.

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For example, you can swap out your Exarch’s War Shout ability with one of six different Exarch Powers that are exclusive to the Howling Banshee shrine. For example, if you’re expecting to face some elite infantry such Terminators or Custodian Guards, try taking Piercing Strike, which will enable you to forsake one of your 3 Attacks for hugely empowered killing blows.

This seems like a huge change to Exarchs?
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PostSubject: Re: Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising   Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeMon Sep 09 2019, 17:19

Can't say that I'm really a fan of the Exarch especially the non-helmeted head, well I wasn't a fan of the new Banshees either. Something just feels off about it to me. Edit: I think I know why I don't really care for these Banshees, they seem to have lost their litheness, they feel clunky to me, not Eldar.

Now we know that being an aspect warrior has nothing to do with gender, is the Exarch male?

Just to be specific it is the sculpt not the gender that makes me not like the Exarch.



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PostSubject: Re: Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising   Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeMon Sep 09 2019, 17:27

What's particularly interesting about the non-helmeted exarch is that the article mentions that the non-helmeted one is the Ynarri variant of the Howling Banshee exarch, which 'walks a different path'. This suggests that there may be completely different rules for Ynarri versions of standard units, seeing as how the banshee mask is the direct source of certain abilities that standard banshees have.
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PostSubject: Re: Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising   Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeMon Sep 09 2019, 17:52

Aren't the nobs on the side of the head also part of what projects the Banshee Scream not just the grill on the mask itself?

Edit: I just noticed that the marking on forehead of the Exarch is not the Banshee rune. That must be why they said it was for the Ynarri Banshee path and whatever that entails.
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PostSubject: Re: Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising   Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeMon Sep 09 2019, 18:04

Variant Ynnari rules for Banshees are interesting and give me a shred of hope for Ynnari not staying as the dumpster-fire that was the WD update.

I really hope Ynarri get something along the lines of the 7th edition Corsair book - where units from Eldar/DE were basically reprinted but with tweaked rules. As opposed to being a faction that consists of 3 special characters and literally an entire page of convoluted rules describing all the hoops you have to jump through just to use a Ynnari army.


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First update's up, revealing the Banshee Exarch model.

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For example, you can swap out your Exarch’s War Shout ability with one of six different Exarch Powers that are exclusive to the Howling Banshee shrine. For example, if you’re expecting to face some elite infantry such Terminators or Custodian Guards, try taking Piercing Strike, which will enable you to forsake one of your 3 Attacks for hugely empowered killing blows.

This seems like a huge change to Exarchs?

On the one hand, this is quite interesting. On the other, it's a little depressing that a Banshee Exarch now has more options than some of our HQs. Razz

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PostSubject: Re: Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising   Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeMon Sep 09 2019, 18:13

@Soulless Samurai wrote:
@Burnage wrote:
First update's up, revealing the Banshee Exarch model.

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For example, you can swap out your Exarch’s War Shout ability with one of six different Exarch Powers that are exclusive to the Howling Banshee shrine. For example, if you’re expecting to face some elite infantry such Terminators or Custodian Guards, try taking Piercing Strike, which will enable you to forsake one of your 3 Attacks for hugely empowered killing blows.

This seems like a huge change to Exarchs?

On the one hand, this is quite interesting. On the other, it's a little depressing that a Banshee Exarch now has more options than some of our HQs. Razz

On the plus side, I think there's a chance that Incubi could get something similar to this. Switching out a Klaivex's Lethal Precision for one of six other rules? Consider me intrigued.
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PostSubject: Re: Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising   Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeMon Sep 09 2019, 18:42

Incubi Have corrupted soul stones, I think they should do more with that, maybe even make them psyker resistant or something. -Incubi have hijacked this discussion.

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PostSubject: Re: Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising   Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeMon Sep 09 2019, 18:47

Those Corrupted Soulstones used to be Bloodstones - AP3 Flamers that the Klaivex could take.

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PostSubject: Re: Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising   Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeMon Sep 09 2019, 19:45

Yup the banshee hints are promising, something like that for incubi would be very cool.

Considering there are a ton of releases in the pipeline before psychic awakening starts (rest of the unveiled marine stuff, Ossiarch Legions for AoS in October, potentially 2 other AoS battletomes before that), my guess is this stuff is still a while off, and we'll keep seeing hints every Monday for the next several weeks. Wish it was coming sooner of course, but more drawn out weeks of hints leave me a little hope for a Dark Eldar unit, though to be fair man almost all the aspect warriors need new models.

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PostSubject: Re: Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising   Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeTue Sep 10 2019, 08:54

OK after 2 previews showing exactly the same thing (banshee) I expect absolutely nothing else
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PostSubject: Re: Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising   Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeTue Sep 10 2019, 10:30

@DevilDoll wrote:
OK after 2 previews showing exactly the same thing (banshee) I expect absolutely nothing else

I really hope this isn't going to be a load of buildup for what amounts to Codex: Banshees (oh and Drukhari, Ynnari and Harlequins are probably around somewhere . . . but no one plays them, so who cares?).

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PostSubject: Re: Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising   Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeTue Sep 10 2019, 15:06

I wouldn't read too much into Banshees being the only unit previewed so far because I think we are a good 6-8 weeks away from psychic awakening actually dropping. That's a lot of Mondays of previews between now and then.

We still have another 2 or so weeks of marine releases to finish off their new models, then the combined Orcs and Free Cities battletomes for AoS, and then the whole new ossiarch legions range for AoS is probably going to take up most of October. We have to hold in there, see what several weeks of previews bring us.

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PostSubject: Re: Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising   Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeTue Sep 10 2019, 17:09

I'm thinking the supplement will probably drop sometime next November right before the Sister's get the full spotlight.

Yeah, it's a little weird that all the articles so far have been focused on Banshees, but plastic Aspects have been asked for for a while, and I'm sure they want to milk it for all its worth.

If we get into week 3-4 and it's still just covering this one kit? They're just padding for time

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PostSubject: Re: Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising   Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeTue Sep 10 2019, 18:51

There's loads of time for previews of other stuff left, I don't think it makes sense to read into them only previewing banshees so far.

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PostSubject: Re: Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising   Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeTue Sep 10 2019, 20:05

Just found this, http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358322-new-howling-banshees-exarch-miniature/page-4#entry5385710, confirming that the Howling Banshee Exarch is in fact male.
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PostSubject: Re: Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising   Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeTue Sep 10 2019, 23:27

I'm no expert on the lore of our craftworld kin, but I thought howling banshees were all female.

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PostSubject: Re: Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising   Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeWed Sep 11 2019, 00:05

@Lord Asvaldir wrote:
I'm no expert on the lore of our craftworld kin, but I thought howling banshees were all female.

From Rogue Trader's Warhammer 40k Compilation to 8th edition, every codex that has a sizeable description for units states that they are mostly female but not exclusively. It really comes down to the Eldar and what Shrine calls to them when they are called down a path of war. I can quote and cite the sources if you wish. But it is stated the the Banshee itself is a female spirit so I guess it might be considered a bit effeminate to tread the path but most likely not such as to create ridicule.

How do you think the male Autarchs get the Banshee masks?
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@CurstAlchemist wrote:
Just found this, http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358322-new-howling-banshees-exarch-miniature/page-4#entry5385710, confirming that the Howling Banshee Exarch is in fact male.

that is SUCH bs ..... so what- somehow somewhere a whiny Monkeigh Male child decided he did not want to have a FEMALE(hence the name BANSHEE) HQ in charge of an ALL FEMALE CC Squad?!?!? This whole 'me too' 'PC' non gender specific ,'i self id as....' garbage is going too far... IF I use Succubi, Banshees, and even Wyches(I know they do have a number of males) They will be FEMALES as depicted in the mini sculpts......

Really GW......... Suspect No No No
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PostSubject: Re: Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising   Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeWed Sep 11 2019, 21:07

@Archon Rievect wrote:
@CurstAlchemist wrote:
Just found this, http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358322-new-howling-banshees-exarch-miniature/page-4#entry5385710, confirming that the Howling Banshee Exarch is in fact male.

that is SUCH bs ..... so what- somehow somewhere a whiny Monkeigh Male child decided he did not want to have a FEMALE(hence the name BANSHEE) HQ in charge of an ALL FEMALE CC Squad?!?!? This whole 'me too' 'PC' non gender specific ,'i self id as....'  garbage is going too far... IF I use Succubi, Banshees, and even Wyches(I know they do have a number of males) They will be FEMALES as depicted in the mini sculpts......

Really GW......... Suspect No No No

Aside from the sculpt, which I don't like, this has been part of the lore since the white dwarf introduced Howling Banshees, it isn't new. Every entry besides the 3rd edition one specifically mentions that they are mostly female not all female. Would you like me to quote and cite the entries? (I don't have the 4th edition codex so I can't confirm the entry in that one)
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PostSubject: Re: Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising   Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeWed Sep 11 2019, 21:16

Well if I am in error ... I have only played DE and never Eldar-that would be a couple of my friends... maybe I wrongly assumed that all banshees WERE female GIVEN THE TITLE....and ANY sort of male mini to counter such evidence... DE WYCHES I can see as male or female due to both the minis and the spelling of the word 'wyche' and not 'witch'.

I guess I must not have read the right books either because all the novels I have read where the Banshees are involved.... no mention of males, always ,where gender mentioned.... 'she' or female type name.

Anyway enough of this drivel, back to the choices GW is making and the ones players will have to make.

BTW- The emo heads on the new Ravenguard models....... Suspect pale No No
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PostSubject: Re: Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising   Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeWed Sep 11 2019, 21:24

Chances are, if you run into a howling banshee they will be female. It is even stated that the Banshee is a female spirit in their mythology so it is considered a female aspect but males are not barred from entering the Shrine and becoming a Howling Banshee. All aspect shrines are open to all genders but it would seem that given the Banshee being a female spirit it rarely calls to an Eldar male to join the shrine. From the Path of the Eldar series it came off to me that you don't really choose the aspect the aspect chooses you through your personality and calls you to it.

Emo Raven Guard isn't any worse than wolfman riding atop wolves for Space Wolves... oh wait I didn't really care for that either...
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PostSubject: Re: Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising   Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeWed Sep 11 2019, 23:31

If I remember correctly an eldar autarch has honed their skills at all of the aspect shrines. So it would make sense that at some point a Male autarch trained and fought as a Banshee. However I'm not 100% certain on craftworld lore so correct me if I'm wrong.
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PostSubject: Re: Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising   Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeThu Sep 12 2019, 00:03

@Serpent Fly wrote:
If I remember correctly an eldar autarch has honed their skills at all of the aspect shrines. So it would make sense that at some point a Male autarch trained and fought as a Banshee. However I'm not 100% certain on craftworld lore so correct me if I'm wrong.

They don't always do every aspect but they do spent time at the most common shrines of their particular Craftworld. They are then allowed to keep one piece of wargear from whatever shrine they have spent time in to use on the battlefield. Which has me wonder, what does an Autarch get to keep if he spends time as a Crimson Hunter?
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PostSubject: Re: Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising   Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeThu Sep 12 2019, 00:07

It's kinda like the Wych Cults, no? Primarily female, matriarchal in nature, with some exceptions tossed in here and there.

It's a big universe, after all. Anything is possible. Not a big deal at all in my opinion.

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