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PostSubject: 2k tournament list prototype    2k tournament list prototype  I_icon_minitimeMon May 27 2019, 09:42

This is a list I’m kicking around for ITC tournament at my local game store, what say you my wicked brethren?


++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Aeldari - Drukhari) [45 PL, 947pts, 6CP] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Alliance of Agony [-1CP]

Battle-forged CP [3CP]

Detachment Attribute
. Kabal of the Flayed Skull

Detachment CP [5CP]

Prizes from the Dark City (1 Relic) [-1CP]

+ HQ +

Archon [4 PL, 93pts]: Blaster, Hatred Eternal, Huskblade, Warlord (Archon)
. The Obsidian Veil

Archon [4 PL, 93pts]: Blaster, Huskblade

+ Troops +

Kabalite Warriors [2 PL, 47pts]
. 3x Kabalite Warrior
. Kabalite Warrior with special weapon: Blaster
. Sybarite: Splinter Rifle

Kabalite Warriors [2 PL, 47pts]
. 3x Kabalite Warrior
. Kabalite Warrior with special weapon: Blaster
. Sybarite: Splinter Rifle

Kabalite Warriors [2 PL, 47pts]
. 3x Kabalite Warrior
. Kabalite Warrior with special weapon: Blaster
. Sybarite: Splinter Rifle

Kabalite Warriors [2 PL, 47pts]
. 3x Kabalite Warrior
. Kabalite Warrior with special weapon: Blaster
. Sybarite: Splinter Rifle

+ Fast Attack +

Scourges [5 PL, 128pts]
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Blaster
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Blaster
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Blaster
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Blaster
. Solarite: Shardcarbine

+ Flyer +

Razorwing Jetfighter [8 PL, 145pts]: Splinter Cannon
. 2 Disintegrator Cannons: 2x Disintegrator cannon

+ Dedicated Transport +

Venom [4 PL, 75pts]: Splinter Cannon, Splinter Cannon

Venom [4 PL, 75pts]: Splinter Cannon, Splinter Cannon

Venom [4 PL, 75pts]: Splinter Cannon, Splinter Cannon

Venom [4 PL, 75pts]: Splinter Cannon, Splinter Cannon

++ Spearhead Detachment +1CP (Aeldari - Drukhari) [25 PL, 468pts, 1CP] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Detachment Attribute
. Kabal of the Black Heart

Detachment CP [1CP]

+ HQ +

Archon [4 PL, 93pts]: Blaster, Huskblade
. Writ of the Living Muse

+ Heavy Support +

Ravager [7 PL, 125pts]: Disintegrator cannon, Disintegrator cannon, Disintegrator cannon

Ravager [7 PL, 125pts]: Disintegrator cannon, Disintegrator cannon, Disintegrator cannon

Ravager [7 PL, 125pts]: Disintegrator cannon, Disintegrator cannon, Disintegrator cannon

++ Vanguard Detachment +1CP (Aeldari - Drukhari) [33 PL, 585pts, 1CP] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Detachment Attribute
. Prophets of Flesh

Detachment CP [1CP]

+ HQ +

Haemonculus [5 PL, 76pts]: Electrocorrosive whip, Master Artisan, Splinter Pistol

Urien Rakarth [5 PL, 90pts]

+ Troops +

Wracks [5 PL, 104pts]
. Acothyst: Haemonculus tools
. Wrack with special weapon (up to 1 for 5 models): Ossefactor
. Wrack with special weapon (up to 1 for 5 models): Ossefactor
. 7x Wracks

+ Elites +

Grotesques [6 PL, 105pts]
. Grotesque with Monstrous Cleaver: Flesh Gauntlet
. Grotesque with Monstrous Cleaver: Flesh Gauntlet
. Grotesque with Monstrous Cleaver: Flesh Gauntlet

Grotesques [6 PL, 105pts]
. Grotesque with Monstrous Cleaver: Flesh Gauntlet
. Grotesque with Monstrous Cleaver: Flesh Gauntlet
. Grotesque with Monstrous Cleaver: Flesh Gauntlet

Grotesques [6 PL, 105pts]
. Grotesque with Monstrous Cleaver: Flesh Gauntlet
. Grotesque with Monstrous Cleaver: Flesh Gauntlet
. Grotesque with Monstrous Cleaver: Flesh Gauntlet

++ Total: [103 PL, 8CP, 2,000pts] ++

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PostSubject: Re: 2k tournament list prototype    2k tournament list prototype  I_icon_minitimeTue May 28 2019, 08:03

It looks like a good list to me.
Only thing that springs to mind is that the grotesque units are small. If they lose just one model on their way to melee, they won't be punching very hard (3-4 Fire Warriors or 3 wounds on a MEQ).

I'm curious about your thoughts. What parts of your list are chosen based on playing ITC?
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PostSubject: Re: 2k tournament list prototype    2k tournament list prototype  I_icon_minitimeTue May 28 2019, 08:28

Very good question, I was thinking of removing the razorwing to prevent full points from big game hunter, however I’m torn as I’ve heard that it’s good and just haven’t had much success with them myself, as for the unit size of the grots I hadn’t considered taking any more, what would you do? Remove the RJF and add more grots? I await your answer with much anticipation your wickedness..
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PostSubject: Re: 2k tournament list prototype    2k tournament list prototype  I_icon_minitimeWed May 29 2019, 03:20

The two Kabal loadouts are more or less workable. There's only some minor tweaks to consider there:

- Swap Obsidian Veil for Djin Blade so your Archon can become a bit of a beast in melee. ITC generally doesn't reward your opponent for killing your 5 wound Warlord so you can play more risky with him than in book missions. If your opponent does take Old School, then you adjust your play accordingly.

- Either cut the Razorwing, or add two more Razorwings and cut all 3 Ravagers. ITC is painful for us when we have multiple options for Marked For Death and Big Game Hunter because our vehicles are so easy to kill. Having 3, like you said, makes it harder for the opponent to maximise their scores.

- Consider making the Black Heart Archon your Warlord, so that you can get Labyrinthian Cunning Warlord Trait, and save 1 CP for not having to buy Writ Of The Living Muse with the +1 Relic strat. The Writ+Cunning Archon is a tried and tested safe Warlord option that is rarely easy to kill and generates a lot of value for you even if all he does the entire game is walk around with his aura.


Moving to your Coven loadout:

@TheWailingKing wrote:


++ Vanguard Detachment +1CP (Aeldari - Drukhari) [33 PL, 585pts, 1CP] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Detachment Attribute
. Prophets of Flesh

Detachment CP [1CP]

+ HQ +

Haemonculus [5 PL, 76pts]: Electrocorrosive whip, Master Artisan, Splinter Pistol

Urien Rakarth [5 PL, 90pts]

+ Troops +

Wracks [5 PL, 104pts]
. Acothyst: Haemonculus tools
. Wrack with special weapon (up to 1 for 5 models): Ossefactor
. Wrack with special weapon (up to 1 for 5 models): Ossefactor
. 7x Wracks

+ Elites +

Grotesques [6 PL, 105pts]
. Grotesque with Monstrous Cleaver: Flesh Gauntlet
. Grotesque with Monstrous Cleaver: Flesh Gauntlet
. Grotesque with Monstrous Cleaver: Flesh Gauntlet

Grotesques [6 PL, 105pts]
. Grotesque with Monstrous Cleaver: Flesh Gauntlet
. Grotesque with Monstrous Cleaver: Flesh Gauntlet
. Grotesque with Monstrous Cleaver: Flesh Gauntlet

Grotesques [6 PL, 105pts]
. Grotesque with Monstrous Cleaver: Flesh Gauntlet
. Grotesque with Monstrous Cleaver: Flesh Gauntlet
. Grotesque with Monstrous Cleaver: Flesh Gauntlet


This is kind of an awkward detachment. A unit of 3 Grotesques dies pretty easily, and is easy to screen off and or slow down by feeding them units they aren't efficient at fighting.

Having a single bigger unit of Grotesques means you're more likely to win Kill More in scoring, and are less likely to give up Butcher's Bill etc. It's also much stronger for Stratagems like Counter Attack or the Reroll wounds Coven-specific Stratagem - rerolling to wound with 9 of them is much better value for CP than re rolling to wound with only 3.

In my view, you could improve this detachment by either:

- Making it a Patrol, putting all the Grotesques in one blob. The benefits outweight the loss of 1CP.

- Making it a Battalion, cutting 1 Grotesque and your two Ossefactors to bring another 5 Wracks and split them into three units of 5 each, then putting all the Grotesques into one big blob.

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PostSubject: Re: 2k tournament list prototype    2k tournament list prototype  I_icon_minitimeWed May 29 2019, 03:29

Thank you hydranixx that’s excellent advice!! I think I will do exactly what you said and just make the black heart archon my warlord and make the coven into a patrol and just make two big ass units in there of wracks and grots, am I on to something with running to Haemonculi or should I just forgo the second one? Also I think I’ve decided to just remove the razorwing entirely
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PostSubject: Re: 2k tournament list prototype    2k tournament list prototype  I_icon_minitimeWed May 29 2019, 03:44

New version


++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Aeldari - Drukhari) [44 PL, 912pts, 8CP] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Battle-forged CP [3CP]

Detachment Attribute
. Kabal of the Flayed Skull

Detachment CP [5CP]

+ HQ +

Archon [4 PL, 96pts]: Blaster, Huskblade, Phantasm Grenade Launcher

Archon [4 PL, 96pts]: Blaster, Huskblade, Phantasm Grenade Launcher

+ Troops +

Kabalite Warriors [2 PL, 47pts]
. 3x Kabalite Warrior
. Kabalite Warrior with special weapon: Blaster
. Sybarite: Splinter Rifle

Kabalite Warriors [2 PL, 47pts]
. 3x Kabalite Warrior
. Kabalite Warrior with special weapon: Blaster
. Sybarite: Splinter Rifle

Kabalite Warriors [2 PL, 47pts]
. 3x Kabalite Warrior
. Kabalite Warrior with special weapon: Blaster
. Sybarite: Splinter Rifle

Kabalite Warriors [4 PL, 104pts]
. 6x Kabalite Warrior
. Kabalite warrior with Heavy Weapon: Splinter Cannon
. Kabalite Warrior with special weapon: Blaster
. Kabalite Warrior with special weapon: Blaster
. Sybarite: Splinter Rifle

+ Fast Attack +

Scourges [5 PL, 92pts]
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Haywire blaster
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Haywire blaster
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Haywire blaster
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Haywire blaster
. Solarite: Shardcarbine

+ Dedicated Transport +

Raider [5 PL, 83pts]: Disintegrator cannon, Phantasm Grenade Launcher

Venom [4 PL, 75pts]: Splinter Cannon, Splinter Cannon

Venom [4 PL, 75pts]: Splinter Cannon, Splinter Cannon

Venom [4 PL, 75pts]: Splinter Cannon, Splinter Cannon

Venom [4 PL, 75pts]: Splinter Cannon, Splinter Cannon

++ Spearhead Detachment +1CP (Aeldari - Drukhari) [25 PL, 471pts, ] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Alliance of Agony [-1CP]

Detachment Attribute
. Kabal of the Black Heart

Detachment CP [1CP]

+ HQ +

Archon [4 PL, 96pts]: Blaster, Huskblade, Labyrinthine Cunning, Phantasm Grenade Launcher, Warlord (Archon)
. Writ of the Living Muse

+ Heavy Support +

Ravager [7 PL, 125pts]: Disintegrator cannon, Disintegrator cannon, Disintegrator cannon

Ravager [7 PL, 125pts]: Disintegrator cannon, Disintegrator cannon, Disintegrator cannon

Ravager [7 PL, 125pts]: Disintegrator cannon, Disintegrator cannon, Disintegrator cannon

++ Patrol Detachment (Aeldari - Drukhari) [35 PL, 617pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Detachment Attribute
. Prophets of Flesh

+ HQ +

Haemonculus [5 PL, 81pts]: Electrocorrosive whip, Ichor Injector, Master Artisan, Splinter Pistol

Urien Rakarth [5 PL, 90pts]

+ Troops +

Wracks [5 PL, 96pts]
. Acothyst: Electrocorrosive whip
. 9x Wracks

+ Elites +

Grotesques [20 PL, 350pts]
. Grotesque with Monstrous Cleaver: Flesh Gauntlet
. Grotesque with Monstrous Cleaver: Flesh Gauntlet
. Grotesque with Monstrous Cleaver: Flesh Gauntlet
. Grotesque with Monstrous Cleaver: Flesh Gauntlet
. Grotesque with Monstrous Cleaver: Flesh Gauntlet
. Grotesque with Monstrous Cleaver: Flesh Gauntlet
. Grotesque with Monstrous Cleaver: Flesh Gauntlet
. Grotesque with Monstrous Cleaver: Flesh Gauntlet
. Grotesque with Monstrous Cleaver: Flesh Gauntlet
. Grotesque with Monstrous Cleaver: Flesh Gauntlet

++ Total: [104 PL, 8CP, 2,000pts] ++

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PostSubject: Re: 2k tournament list prototype    2k tournament list prototype  I_icon_minitimeWed May 29 2019, 08:58

Well, on the one side, Urien Rakarth is an absolute beast when you're running Grotesques or Talos, pumping up their strength stat by 1 and also having more durability than a regular Haemonculus so he doesn't die easily.

However, Urien can't take Relics, and the Relic 'Vexator Mask' is one the strongest in the entire game right now, let alone our codex. Putting that thing on a Haemonculus escorting your Grotesques means that they will always strike before the most threatening enemy unit fighting them, and he can deny Overwatch against things like Tau when you need to commit to a charge there.

.... So you have a tough choice to make.

You could always take both, if you want. Both of these combine beautiful to build a Battalion, but even bringing both into a Vanguard isn't the end of the world.

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PostSubject: Re: 2k tournament list prototype    2k tournament list prototype  I_icon_minitimeFri May 31 2019, 19:50


++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Aeldari - Drukhari) [35 PL, 749pts, 8CP] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Battle-forged CP [3CP]

Detachment Attribute
. Kabal of the Flayed Skull

Detachment CP [5CP]

+ HQ +

Archon [4 PL, 96pts]: Blaster, Huskblade, Phantasm Grenade Launcher

Archon [4 PL, 96pts]: Blaster, Huskblade, Phantasm Grenade Launcher

+ Troops +

Kabalite Warriors [2 PL, 47pts]
. 3x Kabalite Warrior
. Kabalite Warrior with special weapon: Blaster
. Sybarite: Splinter Rifle

Kabalite Warriors [2 PL, 47pts]
. 3x Kabalite Warrior
. Kabalite Warrior with special weapon: Blaster
. Sybarite: Splinter Rifle

Kabalite Warriors [2 PL, 47pts]
. 3x Kabalite Warrior
. Kabalite Warrior with special weapon: Blaster
. Sybarite: Splinter Rifle

Kabalite Warriors [4 PL, 107pts]
. 6x Kabalite Warrior
. Kabalite warrior with Heavy Weapon: Splinter Cannon
. Kabalite Warrior with special weapon: Blaster
. Kabalite Warrior with special weapon: Blaster
. Sybarite: Phantasm Grenade Launcher, Splinter Rifle

+ Dedicated Transport +

Raider [5 PL, 84pts]: Disintegrator cannon, Phantasm Grenade Launcher, Shock Prow

Venom [4 PL, 75pts]: Splinter Cannon, Splinter Cannon

Venom [4 PL, 75pts]: Splinter Cannon, Splinter Cannon

Venom [4 PL, 75pts]: Splinter Cannon, Splinter Cannon

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Aeldari - Drukhari) [45 PL, 780pts, 4CP] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Detachment Attribute
. Prophets of Flesh

Detachment CP [5CP]

Prizes from the Dark City (1 Relic) [-1CP]

+ HQ +

Haemonculus [5 PL, 81pts]: Diabolical Soothsayer, Electrocorrosive whip, Ichor Injector, Splinter Pistol
. The Vexator Mask

Urien Rakarth [5 PL, 90pts]

+ Troops +

Wracks [3 PL, 51pts]
. Acothyst: Electrocorrosive whip
. 4x Wracks

Wracks [3 PL, 51pts]
. Acothyst: Electrocorrosive whip
. 4x Wracks

Wracks [3 PL, 51pts]
. Acothyst: Electrocorrosive whip
. 4x Wracks

+ Elites +

Grotesques [20 PL, 350pts]
. Grotesque with Monstrous Cleaver: Flesh Gauntlet
. Grotesque with Monstrous Cleaver: Flesh Gauntlet
. Grotesque with Monstrous Cleaver: Flesh Gauntlet
. Grotesque with Monstrous Cleaver: Flesh Gauntlet
. Grotesque with Monstrous Cleaver: Flesh Gauntlet
. Grotesque with Monstrous Cleaver: Flesh Gauntlet
. Grotesque with Monstrous Cleaver: Flesh Gauntlet
. Grotesque with Monstrous Cleaver: Flesh Gauntlet
. Grotesque with Monstrous Cleaver: Flesh Gauntlet
. Grotesque with Monstrous Cleaver: Flesh Gauntlet

+ Heavy Support +

Talos [6 PL, 106pts]
. Talos: Chain-Flails, Macro-Scalpel
. . Two Heat lances: 2x Heat lance

++ Spearhead Detachment +1CP (Aeldari - Drukhari) [25 PL, 471pts, ] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Alliance of Agony [-1CP]

Detachment Attribute
. Kabal of the Black Heart

Detachment CP [1CP]

+ HQ +

Archon [4 PL, 96pts]: Blaster, Huskblade, Labyrinthine Cunning, Phantasm Grenade Launcher, Warlord (Archon)
. Writ of the Living Muse

+ Heavy Support +

Ravager [7 PL, 125pts]: Disintegrator cannon, Disintegrator cannon, Disintegrator cannon

Ravager [7 PL, 125pts]: Disintegrator cannon, Disintegrator cannon, Disintegrator cannon

Ravager [7 PL, 125pts]: Disintegrator cannon, Disintegrator cannon, Disintegrator cannon
This is the newest version, went with both of your suggestions and I think I will serve me well, thank you so much for your help!!
++ Total: [105 PL, 12CP, 2,000pts] ++

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