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Gorgon
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PostSubject: Re: Ynnari Mini Codex!   Ynnari Mini Codex! - Page 4 I_icon_minitimeSun Apr 28 2019, 17:15

I think United in death needs one of each. Alliance of agony specifically says up to one succubus and haemy, this one says one. That's a lot of points in hqs.

Also the hungering blade relic is really good. Better than Yvraine or the visarchs sword which is weird.

And the datasheets are all updated. Their 7" auras are now 6" auras.

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PostSubject: Re: Ynnari Mini Codex!   Ynnari Mini Codex! - Page 4 I_icon_minitimeSun Apr 28 2019, 17:17

Which is hilarious because the 7” was lore based. I wonder if it was done in the name of standardized or because the person who made the decision didn’t know why it was originally done the way it was.
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PostSubject: Re: Ynnari Mini Codex!   Ynnari Mini Codex! - Page 4 I_icon_minitimeSun Apr 28 2019, 17:25

does the Yncarne get strength from death if i put him in a pure drukhari list and can he be my warlord ?
...my god 337 points i still cant believe they didnt change that seriously wtf
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PostSubject: Re: Ynnari Mini Codex!   Ynnari Mini Codex! - Page 4 I_icon_minitimeSun Apr 28 2019, 17:33

No strength from death unless it's a ynnari detachment. With how much they dropped the avatar off khaine I really expected a points drop

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PostSubject: Re: Ynnari Mini Codex!   Ynnari Mini Codex! - Page 4 I_icon_minitimeSun Apr 28 2019, 17:36

Itll probably go up in the FAQ then, it's quite a strong strat to be honest.
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PostSubject: Re: Ynnari Mini Codex!   Ynnari Mini Codex! - Page 4 I_icon_minitimeSun Apr 28 2019, 17:37

See, I was considering using Ynnari as pseudo-Corsairs.

With the new relics and warlord traits, I think I could make a very Corsair-y Autarch. Now, granted, he won't have much (read: anything) to actually buff in my DE army, but I'd be prepared to take him anyway just to have the option of using a winged HQ.

However, if I want to do that, I have to take an additional 120pt (minimum) HQ along with him.

Even this wouldn't be so bad, except that they have to be in a separate detachment to any DE I'd want to use (i.e. the rest of my army), so on top of that I'm also paying points for the usual, worthless Archon pair (plus any others I need). Even for a fun game it's just way too many points spent on crap HQs.

And if I want my DE to be Ynnari as well (to match), then I'm spending even more on HQs as I have to fork out for another of the bloody Ynnari characters.

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PostSubject: Re: Ynnari Mini Codex!   Ynnari Mini Codex! - Page 4 I_icon_minitimeSun Apr 28 2019, 17:48

So my current train of thought is that Ynnari harlequins might be pretty good mechanically but I'd have to weigh it up against the loss of strats and powers (definitely less flavour).
With access to +1 to hit, always fight first, reroll 1s to hit and two pseudo dooms (spell and strat) they're gonna be consistently hitting really well but the loss of prismatic blur, war dancers and a few others will definitely be felt. Also no solitaire.

The other thing I noticed is that Phoenix Lords outside of the Ynnari detachment still affect those within as it's based off the unit name not craftworld... so Karandras could make Ynnari striking scorpions have exploding 6+ to hit which could easily be pushed to a 4+.
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PostSubject: Re: Ynnari Mini Codex!   Ynnari Mini Codex! - Page 4 I_icon_minitimeSun Apr 28 2019, 17:55

I see some potential but there's definitely a lot to dislike here.

The three special characters still seem to be pointed as if they unlock the old Strength From Death, the Yncarne in particular - it's absolutely not worth 337 points. Needing one to use a detachment is also a ridiculous tax.

Losing psychic disciplines when going Ynnari is... sort of understandable, but the Revenant discipline doesn't bring enough to justify that. Craftworld units are going to get more benefit from their innate psykers, Harlequins will get more from the Shadowseer. Hell, we still get more from Doom and Jinx than we would from Revenant's buffs.

There also seem to be a lot of ways to stack +1 to hit in melee in the army, which seems fundamentally kind of pointless when most of the Eldar are naturally hitting on 2s or 3s anyways.

It does seem like a stronger foundation for an army than the old Ynnari, so hopefully with some FAQ/CA tweaks they'll wind up in a good spot.
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PostSubject: Re: Ynnari Mini Codex!   Ynnari Mini Codex! - Page 4 I_icon_minitimeSun Apr 28 2019, 18:02

@Gorgon wrote:
No strength from death unless it's a ynnari detachment.  With how much they dropped the avatar off khaine I really expected a points drop

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why...? the way i read it you can include the yncarne in a drukhari detachment and he gains strength from death... where does it say that you loose it? also i dont see a reason he cant be your warlord and get warden of souls warlord trait... am i missing something?
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PostSubject: Re: Ynnari Mini Codex!   Ynnari Mini Codex! - Page 4 I_icon_minitimeSun Apr 28 2019, 18:19

@Burnage wrote:
I see some potential but there's definitely a lot to dislike here.

The three special characters still seem to be pointed as if they unlock the old Strength From Death, the Yncarne in particular - it's absolutely not worth 337 points. Needing one to use a detachment is also a ridiculous tax.

Losing psychic disciplines when going Ynnari is... sort of understandable, but the Revenant discipline doesn't bring enough to justify that. Craftworld units are going to get more benefit from their innate psykers, Harlequins will get more from the Shadowseer. Hell, we still get more from Doom and Jinx than we would from Revenant's buffs.

There also seem to be a lot of ways to stack +1 to hit in melee in the army, which seems fundamentally kind of pointless when most of the Eldar are naturally hitting on 2s or 3s anyways.

It does seem like a stronger foundation for an army than the old Ynnari, so hopefully with some FAQ/CA tweaks they'll wind up in a good spot.

Yeah I had to go digging to find something that benefited from all those +1 to hits and only came up on Striking Scorpions with Karandras. Even the Ynnari WL trait to explode hits is unmodified 6s which is bizarre.
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PostSubject: Re: Ynnari Mini Codex!   Ynnari Mini Codex! - Page 4 I_icon_minitimeSun Apr 28 2019, 18:22

@DevilDoll wrote:
@Gorgon wrote:
No strength from death unless it's a ynnari detachment.  With how much they dropped the avatar off khaine I really expected a points drop

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why...? the way i read it you can include the yncarne in a drukhari detachment and he gains strength from death... where does it say that you loose it? also i dont see a reason he cant be your warlord and get warden of souls warlord trait... am i missing something?

In addition, all Ynnari units within an Ynnari detachment gain the Strength from Death rule. Part of reclaim the galaxy rule. If you cant soulburst you cant trigger his WL trait.
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PostSubject: Re: Ynnari Mini Codex!   Ynnari Mini Codex! - Page 4 I_icon_minitimeSun Apr 28 2019, 18:26

@Gizamaluke wrote:
@DevilDoll wrote:
@Gorgon wrote:
No strength from death unless it's a ynnari detachment.  With how much they dropped the avatar off khaine I really expected a points drop

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why...? the way i read it you can include the yncarne in a drukhari detachment and he gains strength from death... where does it say that you loose it? also i dont see a reason he cant be your warlord and get warden of souls warlord trait... am i missing something?

In addition, all Ynnari units within an Ynnari detachment gain the Strength from Death rule. Part of reclaim the galaxy rule. If you cant soulburst you cant trigger his WL trait.

but the Yncarne already comes with the ability its not something he gains... The rule just gives the abilty to units that dont have it in their datasheet... At least thats how i undertand it
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PostSubject: Re: Ynnari Mini Codex!   Ynnari Mini Codex! - Page 4 I_icon_minitimeSun Apr 28 2019, 18:29

@DevilDoll wrote:
@Gorgon wrote:
No strength from death unless it's a ynnari detachment.  With how much they dropped the avatar off khaine I really expected a points drop


why...? the way i read it you can include the yncarne in a drukhari detachment and he gains strength from death... where does it say that you loose it? also i dont see a reason he cant be your warlord and get warden of souls warlord trait... am i missing something?

Edit: my apologies, I didn't realize he already had it in his datasheet, I thought it was only gained through a detachment like the rest of the ynnari units that aren't the named characters
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PostSubject: Re: Ynnari Mini Codex!   Ynnari Mini Codex! - Page 4 I_icon_minitimeSun Apr 28 2019, 18:37

I wish Yvraine was WL locked into Walker of Many Paths instead of them making her better at getting into combat.
I wish Visarch was WL locked into Lord of Rebirth so he could regenerate any wounds he takes for Yvraine instead of having exploding unmodified 6s.
I wish The Yncarne wasnt 337pts when its comparable to a Daemon Prince and they are way cheaper. Even a named one like the new Syll'Esske who is super killy and a buff vector is only 210pts.
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PostSubject: Re: Ynnari Mini Codex!   Ynnari Mini Codex! - Page 4 I_icon_minitimeSun Apr 28 2019, 18:44

O my god ,this codex is a punishment.


This codex is not focused on battalions of craftworlds, maybe an outrider detachment, the brigthspears can advance-charge and gain an additional attack. The same skyweavers jetbikes.

a mixed battalion of kabal and cult, if he gains psychic protection and psychic powers.
The other codex battalions lose more than they earn if they are ynnari.

wraithblades ynnaris? but wraithblades sucks anyway

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PostSubject: Re: Ynnari Mini Codex!   Ynnari Mini Codex! - Page 4 I_icon_minitimeSun Apr 28 2019, 18:46

So in the very least if you have alot of points to spare you can potentially have a teleporting str 7, 7 attack d6damage psychic monster with rerolls to hit (ancestor grace) and wounds who always fights first in your pure drukhari army...
Trying to find a redeeming factor here
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PostSubject: Re: Ynnari Mini Codex!   Ynnari Mini Codex! - Page 4 I_icon_minitimeSun Apr 28 2019, 18:51

@DevilDoll wrote:
So in the very least if you have alot of points to spare you can potentially have a teleporting str 7, 7 attack d6damage  psychic monster with rerolls to hit (ancestor grace) and wounds who always fights first in your pure drukhari army...
Trying to find a redeeming factor here

Yvraine seems like a nice inclusion instead of a second Archon in a Kabal Battalion.

What would actually make this version of Ynnari worth running, I think, is if you could mix the three Eldar factions in a single detachment.
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PostSubject: Re: Ynnari Mini Codex!   Ynnari Mini Codex! - Page 4 I_icon_minitimeSun Apr 28 2019, 18:56

I think that the new Strength from death, relics and traits would have been a good "Basic Mode" for us, something like "if you mix kabal / cults / covens in a detachment you gain this generic rule", and if you use a Kabal / coven / cult detachment you gain the current benefits of our codex.

I think that whould be awesome if we had something like the stratagem for the incubi of the ynnari, "2 CP Choose up 3 units of incubi, they gain the benefits of the obsession of their detachment"
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PostSubject: Re: Ynnari Mini Codex!   Ynnari Mini Codex! - Page 4 I_icon_minitimeSun Apr 28 2019, 19:00

Sweet baby Jesus, they got nerfed more than I ever imagined. Like I thought for sure they would have a 3CP strat that let them take an extra action or something, but wow. WOW.


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PostSubject: Re: Ynnari Mini Codex!   Ynnari Mini Codex! - Page 4 I_icon_minitimeSun Apr 28 2019, 19:03

20 Hellions with +1S drugs, flying around the yncarne who casts the 5++ bubble, RR1s to hit and bestows fearless... might be okay?
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PostSubject: Re: Ynnari Mini Codex!   Ynnari Mini Codex! - Page 4 I_icon_minitimeSun Apr 28 2019, 19:09

I keep hearing it called a 'codex'. If only. If it was an actual codex it might have more than 3 units in it. And wouldn't rely on a complete mess of a detachment system.

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PostSubject: Re: Ynnari Mini Codex!   Ynnari Mini Codex! - Page 4 I_icon_minitimeSun Apr 28 2019, 19:30

Disappointing. Forcing you to take one of the Triumvirate per detachment kind of kills it for me.
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PostSubject: Re: Ynnari Mini Codex!   Ynnari Mini Codex! - Page 4 I_icon_minitimeSun Apr 28 2019, 21:13

I was hoping that they would allow you to mix and match CW, DE, and Harlie units in one detachment, and that might compensate for some of the deficiencies in the new Ynarri index. However, that's not possible, due to the weird way that they decided to word the army construction for Ynarri. It would have been better if they had just made a list of units that you can take in a Ynarri detachment, and their respective roles (HQ, Troops, etc).

This also means that, in order to use the United in Death strat, you have to have 3 separate Ynarri detachments, because you can't mix Eldar types in one detachment, which pretty much no one is ever going to use it, as it requires you to bring all 3 Ynarri HQs.

Other observations that make me think that this wasn't especially well thought out: It seems unclear as to whether Ynarri lose Battle Focus, PfP, or Rising Crescendo. We already need a FAQ for that. Also, there should be an equivalent of a 'Cloudstrike' strat; otherwise Ynarri are going to have to rely on other Eldar allied detachments for deepstriking heavy support. Also, I'm not sure why the Ynarri version of Fire and Fade costs 2CP. Hopefully, that's just a typographical error to be errata'd.
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PostSubject: Re: Ynnari Mini Codex!   Ynnari Mini Codex! - Page 4 I_icon_minitimeSun Apr 28 2019, 21:20

It seems fairly clear that they do not lose PfP, BF, or RC. I think the only reason there's any confusion is because it didn't used to be that way.

Lol, this nerf is so heinous our brains rebel at the notion that anything worked out to our benefit. Very Happy
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