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PostSubject: Gene Cults just got a cheaper Agents Of Vect   Gene Cults just got a cheaper Agents Of Vect I_icon_minitimeThu 31 Jan - 14:41

The rules preview for Genestealer Cults today had this:

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As we all know, this is exactly the same as Agents of Vect WAS, until it got errated to cost 4cp instead.
So they get the same Startagem, but cheaper in cp.

I'm somewhat annoyed.

I hereby recommend EVERYONE write to the 40k FAQ and Facebook teams to express confusion, and ask that AoV go back to 3cp to balance out.
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PostSubject: Re: Gene Cults just got a cheaper Agents Of Vect   Gene Cults just got a cheaper Agents Of Vect I_icon_minitimeThu 31 Jan - 14:47

This will just be down to the printers having had the GC book long before the AoV change took place. Expect it to be FAQ'd pretty sharpish.

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PostSubject: Re: Gene Cults just got a cheaper Agents Of Vect   Gene Cults just got a cheaper Agents Of Vect I_icon_minitimeThu 31 Jan - 15:23

ok i feel robbed... we had one thing to stand out ONE
and thats not all they get the cool sneaky bleep ambush thing and they got tons of new models... but where the knife really cuts deep for me is that my friend plays this crapy faction and he was always jealous of agents of vect how the hell am i going to face him now lol
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PostSubject: Re: Gene Cults just got a cheaper Agents Of Vect   Gene Cults just got a cheaper Agents Of Vect I_icon_minitimeThu 31 Jan - 18:05

yes yes let the hate flow through you
oh and str5 genestealers btw
or 4+ genestealers
or 4++ genetealers
pick yer poison
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PostSubject: Re: Gene Cults just got a cheaper Agents Of Vect   Gene Cults just got a cheaper Agents Of Vect I_icon_minitimeThu 31 Jan - 18:44

This is... rather annoying, I agree with you there. It might be balanced if 'cult of the four armed emperor' simply doesn't give as good bonuses to stuff, but I highly doubt that. And I definitely agree with the stealing of our uniqueness. Agent's of Vect was one of the reasons why I've started a Dark Eldar army.

And the S5 or 4++ genestealers would be nasty. The 4+ is meh, because you could already do that normal stealers and then give them permanant cover as Tyranids.

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PostSubject: Re: Gene Cults just got a cheaper Agents Of Vect   Gene Cults just got a cheaper Agents Of Vect I_icon_minitimeThu 31 Jan - 19:43

They can already get +1s and +1atk tho.... how is that any different?

And them getting an AoV, honestly i thought some Inquisition would get it, as i figure imperial would get it just to have it, so GSC having it is better than Imperial, its a win for me lol.

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PostSubject: Re: Gene Cults just got a cheaper Agents Of Vect   Gene Cults just got a cheaper Agents Of Vect I_icon_minitimeThu 31 Jan - 19:57

@amishprn86 wrote:
They can already get +1s and +1atk tho.... how is that any different?

And them getting an AoV, honestly i thought some Inquisition would get it, as i figure imperial would get it just to have it, so GSC having it is better than Imperial, its a win for me lol.

Imperials will get it and after a while every armies will have some countering stratagem.
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PostSubject: Re: Gene Cults just got a cheaper Agents Of Vect   Gene Cults just got a cheaper Agents Of Vect I_icon_minitimeThu 31 Jan - 21:35

And now so many ppl will start playing GSC... Bandwagoon is comming. I also think we've lost tons of uniqueness. Guess, some human-bugs can be as sharp in planning as mighty Vect.
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PostSubject: Re: Gene Cults just got a cheaper Agents Of Vect   Gene Cults just got a cheaper Agents Of Vect I_icon_minitimeThu 31 Jan - 22:07

@DarkCycu wrote:
And now so many ppl will start playing GSC... Bandwagoon is comming. I also think we've lost tons of uniqueness. Guess, some human-bugs can be as sharp in planning as mighty Vect.

To their defense, when it's against imperium, they are better located to counter tactics than us.
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PostSubject: Re: Gene Cults just got a cheaper Agents Of Vect   Gene Cults just got a cheaper Agents Of Vect I_icon_minitimeThu 31 Jan - 22:58

I'm less concerned about the AoV knock off than I am about their blip deployment. Is it me or is that just insanely strong?

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PostSubject: Re: Gene Cults just got a cheaper Agents Of Vect   Gene Cults just got a cheaper Agents Of Vect I_icon_minitimeFri 1 Feb - 1:06

From what I've seen from the leaks so far, it seems... odd, for lack of better words. The ability to simply not allow enemies to move to places around your deployment zone is good, but it's only for turn one. Which only really helps for some sort of 25" turn one rush tactics. Otherwise it confuses me. GW has stated that ambushers come out turn one, but then the rules state you're not allowed to come out of reserves turn one. Is this the only contradiction? Or is it a wording flaw?

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PostSubject: Re: Gene Cults just got a cheaper Agents Of Vect   Gene Cults just got a cheaper Agents Of Vect I_icon_minitimeFri 1 Feb - 4:03

Are they still required to start with half their units out in the open? Or are Genestealers now the only army that can do a complete alpha strike deployment?
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PostSubject: Re: Gene Cults just got a cheaper Agents Of Vect   Gene Cults just got a cheaper Agents Of Vect I_icon_minitimeFri 1 Feb - 5:25

Reading through the rules it doesn't affect matched play restrictions. So it looks like GSC must have 50% on the field, but the blips count as on the field.
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PostSubject: Re: Gene Cults just got a cheaper Agents Of Vect   Gene Cults just got a cheaper Agents Of Vect I_icon_minitimeFri 1 Feb - 7:50

Im almost certain that imperials will get some kind of cancel as well with index assassins on March and it will cost 2 cp. That's why they left it 3 cp for genestealer to ease the pain and disappointment when this happens.
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@amishprn86 wrote:
They can already get +1s and +1atk tho.... how is that any different?

how again? I'm a bit rusty with my nids rules
the one thing that pains me is the +1 invulm trait
genestealers with t4 and a 4++ are nasty
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@AzraeI wrote:
@amishprn86 wrote:
They can already get +1s and +1atk tho.... how is that any different?

how again? I'm a bit rusty with my nids rules
the one thing that pains me is the +1 invulm trait
genestealers with t4 and a 4++ are nasty

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PostSubject: Re: Gene Cults just got a cheaper Agents Of Vect   Gene Cults just got a cheaper Agents Of Vect I_icon_minitimeFri 1 Feb - 13:49

Meh. We might as well complain that GSCs have been gifted with a ton of new models, whilst our already anaemic codex lost even more units. Or the fact that GSCs were given fun and useful HQs and characters, whilst ours are a blazing dumpster-fire.

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@Soulless Samurai wrote:
Meh. We might as well complain that GSCs have been gifted with a ton of new models, whilst our already anaemic codex lost even more units. Or the fact that GSCs were given fun and useful HQs and characters, whilst ours are a blazing dumpster-fire.

It's not like we expected new models to begin with. Maybe Vect, but that's about it.
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@dumpeal wrote:
@Soulless Samurai wrote:
Meh. We might as well complain that GSCs have been gifted with a ton of new models, whilst our already anaemic codex lost even more units. Or the fact that GSCs were given fun and useful HQs and characters, whilst ours are a blazing dumpster-fire.

It's not like we expected new models to begin with. Maybe Vect, but that's about it.

hey maybe we get a new even more crappy archon model when 9th drops
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@Soulless Samurai wrote:
Meh. We might as well complain that GSCs have been gifted with a ton of new models, whilst our already anaemic codex lost even more units. Or the fact that GSCs were given fun and useful HQs and characters, whilst ours are a blazing dumpster-fire.

Honestly that's what bothers me the most, I'm definetly jealous that GSC now have loads of nice support characters to choose from and fill out all their hq slots for loads of detachments, while we are stuck with one per sub-faction. If we just got a dracon option that functioned exactly like a space marine lieutenant for say 40-50pts, I would have been happy.

Overall though does seem like the codex will make GSC even stronger, their new ambush rules seems like a fairly large improvement.

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PostSubject: Re: Gene Cults just got a cheaper Agents Of Vect   Gene Cults just got a cheaper Agents Of Vect I_icon_minitimeFri 1 Feb - 15:47

@dumpeal wrote:
It's not like we expected new models to begin with. Maybe Vect, but that's about it.

I wouldn't mind a lack of models if they'd at least leave their rules in the codex.

As it is, our book has practically been asset-stripped.

We've lost:
- All mobility options on Archon and Haemonculus
- All non-weapon weargear from every HQ choice.
- Dracon
- Haemonculus Ancient
- Vect
- Lady Malys
- Kheradruakh, the Decapitator
- Baron Sathonyx
- Duke Sliscus
- Harlequins
- Trueborn and Bloodbrides have also been relegated to the Index, with the latter basically being replaced entirely by standard Wyches.


@AzraeI wrote:
hey maybe we get a new even more crappy archon model when 9th drops

Ugh, don't remind me. The 2 new character models we got in 7th and they used both to replace models we already had, rather than any of the 7 or so units they'd removed.

And then they made such a hash of the Archon that they couldn't even bear to put him on the codex.


@Lord Asvaldir wrote:

Honestly that's what bothers me the most, I'm definetly jealous that GSC now have loads of nice support characters to choose from and fill out all their hq slots for loads of detachments, while we are stuck with one per sub-faction. If we just got a dracon option that functioned exactly like a space marine lieutenant for say 40-50pts, I would have been happy.


You're not alone. However, I don't think the issue is that we don't have a cheap, lieutenant HQ. The issue is that the Archon costs 70-80pts but is worth maybe half of that.

Don't get me wrong - I'd love some more HQs. However, I'd prefer to first fix the ones we have.

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PostSubject: Re: Gene Cults just got a cheaper Agents Of Vect   Gene Cults just got a cheaper Agents Of Vect I_icon_minitimeFri 1 Feb - 15:55

I'd happily take a 20-30pts reduction for the archon instead of a new character, anything that lets me not spend 140+ pts on characters just to fill out a kabal detachment would be ideal.

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@Lord Asvaldir wrote:
I'd happily take a 20-30pts reduction for the archon instead of a new character, anything that lets me not spend 140+ pts on characters just to fill out a kabal detachment would be ideal.

I mean, I'd prefer that the Archon actually be worth the 70-80pts he currently costs, but I'd likewise settle for a large price reduction.

That said, even with some of the improvements I've considered, I'm still not sure he'd be worth more than 60-70pts (after gear).

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@Count Adhemar wrote:
I'm less concerned about the AoV knock off than I am about their blip deployment. Is it me or is that just insanely strong?

It's looking to be a really strong Codex overall, especially since there are rumours that some beta testers decided to start new Cult armies early because they thought they were going to be so overwhelming.

Nids, Cult and Guard in the same list is going to lead to some absolutely brutal potential combinations.
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PostSubject: Re: Gene Cults just got a cheaper Agents Of Vect   Gene Cults just got a cheaper Agents Of Vect I_icon_minitimeSat 2 Feb - 16:53

allright their chapter tactics dont include genestealers
and the new magus gets definitely archonified
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