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PostSubject: 2000pts Dark Creed and PGL   2000pts Dark Creed and PGL I_icon_minitimeWed Dec 12 2018, 02:49

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Hope my 2000pt list finds you well.

I have been wracking my brain trying to find just the right mix... The goal here is to be competitive with the list but not spam my units so much that playing is dull. I want depth, and think by incorporating some psychic synergies and some leadership debuff I can get something good goin.

In terms of play style, I usually try to find ways to hit hard and consolidated early to cripple important elements in my opponents army. A bit of misdirection is important in deployment and play is important I can use our speed to get away with it.

    Some things I am worried about:
  • How effective is targeting the morale actually, it seems like we have some really great tools ; Against what types of foes does this really not work well against?
  • Can My Reaper(Updates on this project to come!) snipe characters with The Dark Creed strat?
  • I don't like missing out on Agents of Vect but I think Flayed Skull is strong what are your opinions?
  • Two Talos feels a bit light but they are really to soak up all the bs if I can get people to shoot at them, and maybe get them in close enough for some leadership debuffing
  • Any Warlord Trait or Relic build suggestions??
  • Suggestions on the two Skyrunners' Runes?
  • I can drop the scourges to make the Eldar detachment a battalion with 3 squads of rangers. How do you think this would compare? More CP is really nice but 10 isn't bad already, and I do think the scourges have good value...
  • I feel like I am lacking blasters do I have enough punch?

Thanks!

    2000ptsBattalion - Flayed Skull - 902pts--HQ--
  • Archon
          Animus Vitae
          Huskblade
          Ancient Evil

  • Archon
          PGL
          Helm of Spite
          Venom Blade

    --Troop--
  • Kabalite Warriors x5 x3
          Blaster
          PGL

    --Heavy Support--
  • Ravager X2
          Dissies

    --Flyer--
  • Razorwing Jetfighter
          Dissies

    --Transport--
  • Raider
          Dissie
          Grisly Trophies

  • Venom x2
          Grisly Trophies

    Spearhead Detachment - The Dark Creed - 823pts
    --HQ--
  • Haemonculus
          Fear Incarnate

    --Troop--
    Wracks x5 x2

    --Fast Attack--
  • Scourges x5 x2
          Haywire Blasters

    --Heavy Support--
  • Reaper

  • Talos
          Chain-Flails
          Macro-scalpel
          Haywire Blasters

  • Talos
          Chain-Flails
          Macro-scalpel
          Stringer Pods

    Supreme Command Detachment - Alaitoc - 275pts
    --HQ--
  • Farseer Skyrunner
          Doom
          Mind War

  • Warlock Skyrunner
          Embolden

  • Warlock Skyrunner
          Jinx/Embolden




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PostSubject: Re: 2000pts Dark Creed and PGL   2000pts Dark Creed and PGL I_icon_minitimeMon Dec 24 2018, 19:06

Haywire Blasters were good at one point, the best in fact. I would argue that they are not as great now.

I do love the idea of attacking leadership as a tactic. I just think that you will quickly find that IMperials KNights and the like require a lot of concentrated firepower, and early, in order to defeat them and even my T'au Empire armies has to really make sure that happens. Thats why the massed Daemonette/{fill in the blanks with fast unit here} backed by Knights is so popular. They try to tie up your early shooting at any cost so they can just start deleting units.

So I'd consider the need for a bit more range and concentration of heavy weapons just in case you run into competitive Knight lists.

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PostSubject: Re: 2000pts Dark Creed and PGL   2000pts Dark Creed and PGL I_icon_minitimeMon Dec 24 2018, 20:31

I've not played around with leadership bombs since everyone has access to a 2cp stratagem to negate it amongst all the other stuff and generally there isn't anything that you can scare off the board easier than shoot off the board.
Your reaper can indeed use the sniping stratagem and could be devastating!
Flayed Skull and Black Heart play differently, they're both great though but Agents of Vect pushes BH into top spot for seriously play.
Two Talos aren't going to soak a lot up really unfortunately, they're great units but a bit of focus and they'll melt without the Prophets 4++ invul.
Jinx and Horrify on the Warlocks is good! Doom and mindwar is good too on the farseer.
Haywire Scourges are great keep them in, with doom they're disgustingly strong and will handle the knights for you.

Relics and Traits wise; I would drop the Animus Vitae (too situational) but the warlord traits are fine on haemonculus and Archon, I'd even consider dropping the helm of spite too for a Djinn Blade or Parasites kiss on the Haemy.
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PostSubject: Re: 2000pts Dark Creed and PGL   2000pts Dark Creed and PGL I_icon_minitimeMon Dec 24 2018, 21:25

I have played the leadership shenanigans style list in a few variations. Number one thing is you should make the transports a coven unit to help stack -1lds. I also really like an alaitoc hemlock for more minus if you can fit it in.

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PostSubject: Re: 2000pts Dark Creed and PGL   2000pts Dark Creed and PGL I_icon_minitimeThu Dec 27 2018, 02:47

So I have been messing around and am on the same page as you guys thanks for the comments. Check this out I think it is a lot cleaner. (got a few points left over haven't decided what to do yet)

I don't want the list to depend on LD shenanigans but it can be a strong tool. Mind war could be even deadlier if I had embolden....

I decided to go with Raiders - We will see how it goes they are pretty economical though.

I think the Animus Vitae has great potential especially turn 2 because of Black-Heart Kabal(you can get it to lv 5) and the grots will be rerolling hits. IF you can get it off Smile


++ Spearhead Detachment +1CP (Aeldari - Drukhari) [44 PL, 726pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Detachment Attribute: The Dark Creed

+ HQ +

Haemonculus : Electrocorrosive whip, Fear Incarnate, Splinter Pistol

+ Elites +

Grotesques
. Grotesque with Monstrous Cleaver: Flesh Gauntlet
. Grotesque with Monstrous Cleaver: Flesh Gauntlet
. Grotesque with Monstrous Cleaver: Flesh Gauntlet
. Grotesque with Monstrous Cleaver: Flesh Gauntlet

+ Heavy Support +

Reaper

Talos
. Talos: Chain-Flails, Macro-Scalpel, Stinger Pod

Talos
. Talos: Macro-Scalpel, Macro-Scalpel
. . Two Haywire Blasters: 2x Haywire blaster

+ Dedicated Transport +

Raider : Disintegrator cannon, Grisly Trophies

Raider : Disintegrator cannon, Grisly Trophies

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Aeldari - Drukhari) [47 PL, 889pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Alliance of Agony (1 CP)

Detachment Attribute: Kabal of the Black Heart

Prizes from the Dark City (1 Relic)

+ HQ +

Archon : Blaster, Venom Blade, Writ of the Living Muse

Archon : Ancient Evil, Blast Pistol, Huskblade, The Animus Vitae, Warlord (Archon)

+ Troops +

Kabalite Warriors
. 3x Kabalite Warrior
. Kabalite Warrior with special weapon: Shredder
. Sybarite: Phantasm Grenade Launcher, Splinter Rifle

Kabalite Warriors
. 3x Kabalite Warrior
. Kabalite Warrior with special weapon: Shredder
. Sybarite: Phantasm Grenade Launcher, Splinter Rifle

Kabalite Warriors
. 3x Kabalite Warrior
. Kabalite Warrior with special weapon: Shredder
. Sybarite: Phantasm Grenade Launcher, Splinter Rifle

Kabalite Warriors
. 3x Kabalite Warrior
. Kabalite Warrior with special weapon: Shredder
. Sybarite: Phantasm Grenade Launcher, Splinter Rifle

+ Fast Attack +

Scourges
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Haywire blaster
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Haywire blaster
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Haywire blaster
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Haywire blaster
. Solarite: Shardcarbine

+ Heavy Support +

Ravager  : Disintegrator cannon, Disintegrator cannon, Disintegrator cannon

Ravager  : Disintegrator cannon, Disintegrator cannon, Disintegrator cannon

Ravager : Disintegrator cannon, Disintegrator cannon, Disintegrator cannon

+ Dedicated Transport +

Raider : Disintegrator cannon, Grisly Trophies, Shock Prow

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Aeldari - Craftworlds) [20 PL, 379pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Craftworld Attribute: Alaitoc: Fieldcraft

+ HQ +

Farseer Skyrunner : 2. Doom, 6. Mind War, Shuriken Pistol, Twin Shuriken Catapult, Witchblade

Warlock Skyrunner : 4. Protect/Jinx, Shuriken Pistol, Twin Shuriken Catapult, Witchblade

+ Troops +

Rangers : 5x Ranger

Rangers : 5x Ranger

Rangers : 5x Ranger

++ Total: [111 PL, 1994pts] ++

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