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PostSubject: 1500 point tournie list   1500 point tournie list I_icon_minitimeSat Sep 15 2018, 18:28

Guys I have a tournament coming up at the end of October and it's 1500pts limit.

I have Drukhari and Harlequins and I'm finding 1500 points is just too low to have an effective soup. I've got a pretty good drukhari only 1500 point list that gives me a kabal, a coven and a cult and I also have a pretty decent 1500 frozen stars list.

Is it possible to have a mixture of the two factions or should I just go all in on one? Meta is pretty much astartes, guard , some custodes and maybe a knights player.
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PostSubject: Re: 1500 point tournie list   1500 point tournie list I_icon_minitimeSun Sep 16 2018, 14:19

If it helps for context, these are my two potential lists:

Drukhari (Raiding Force Detatchment +4CP)

Kabal Black Heart
Archon (Warlord) Labyrinth Cunning, Splinter Pistol, Venom Blade, Writ of Living Muse

1 x 5 Kabalite warriors with Blaster
1 x 5 Kabalie warriors with Blaster
9 x Kabalite warriors with 2 Blasters
1 x Raider with Disintergrator
2 x Venoms
2 x Ravager with Triple Disintergrators

Prophets of Flesh
1 x Haemonculus with Diabloical Soothsayer, Electrocorrosive Whip and Vexator Mask
3 X 5 Wracks
3 x Talos with Haywire Blasters and 2 macro scalpels
1 x 3 Grotesques

Cult of Red Grief
1 x Succubus with Archite Glave, Triptych Whip and Blood Dancer
1 x 5 Wyches with Shardnet Impaler
1 x 5 Wyches with Hydra Gauntles
1 x 5 Wyches


Harlequins (Frozen Stars Batallion + 5 CP)
1 x Shadowseer (Warlord) barebones
1 x Troup Master, Great Harlequin, Caress, Shurinken Pistol, Starmist Raiment
1 x Troup Master, Fusion Pistol, Storied Sword

4 x 5 Clowns all with Caresses and shurinken pistols

1 x Solitaire with Cegorachs Rose

6 Skyweavers with Haywire cannons and zephyrglaves

2 Void Weavers with Haywire Cannons
2 Star Weavers


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PostSubject: Re: 1500 point tournie list   1500 point tournie list I_icon_minitimeSun Sep 16 2018, 14:33

Why not take Kabal, Coven, and Quins?


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PostSubject: Re: 1500 point tournie list   1500 point tournie list I_icon_minitimeSun Sep 16 2018, 14:36

What would you recommend I take for Quins? I think my two favourite Troupes have been Frozen Stars and Riddle Smiths.

The obvious choice would be Sky Weavers but i really want to put a Solitaire in there as I am anticipating at least two Guiliman Lists and Custodes
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PostSubject: Re: 1500 point tournie list   1500 point tournie list I_icon_minitimeSun Sep 16 2018, 15:02

I meant take out the Wyches and add frozen stars since you like quins FS, might as well have some better hitting melee units, can do Battalion x2, 1 patrol. Thats 13 CP, compare to 7.

Or just 1 Battalion and 2 specialist for 7CP also, like outrider/spearhead, etc..

W/e you want, if it doesnt fit well, just take the list you like better

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PostSubject: Re: 1500 point tournie list   1500 point tournie list I_icon_minitimeMon Sep 17 2018, 06:01

Especially if you're running Black Heart, I would take Amish's advice and go 2 Battalions regardless of what else you're taking. Personally, I would try to squeeze 3 battalions out if I could and go with a Black Heart detachment, FS 'Quins, and then a minimized Coven detachment just to capitalize on Diabolical soothsayer. You may wonder, "why not go with Cult to capitalize on the possible 3rd warlord trait?" A good point I'll grant, but if you know the Quins stratagems well, then I would opt for having an entire books worth of more stratagems to choose from rather than 1 additional Warlord trait. However, if you feel like you don't want to bother with the hefty decision fatigue of juggling the 2 books, then go with cult but still try to squeeze at least 2 battalions out of your total list, if not 3.

Best of luck, and tell us how it goes! Smile

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PostSubject: Re: 1500 point tournie list   1500 point tournie list I_icon_minitimeMon Sep 17 2018, 17:41

Thanks chaps! I am feeling pretty pumped and confident for the tournie and i've won all of my most recent games against our better players.

I think taking the Talos is a no brainer, they are probably our best counter to Knights in our Codex. I don't need my Haemo to be a warlord if i can get extra CP by re-jigging a couple of Battalions and a support detachment.

I know what you mean about CP and Battalions, it was to try and avoid the HQ tax. I really hope that Patrol Detachment we have get's buffed to 8 CP. Four CP is pointless.

I feel like I need a psyker which is why I want to bring Quins, plus Harlequins are amazing. Even launching 5 Frozen Stars at a Knight with caresses, that's 25 attacks, hitting on 4's if you use the FS stratagem, re-rolling wounds with a Troupe Master. It seems that Knights are a bit of a hard counter to Drukhari.

One question, what in your opinion is better:
5 Scourges with 4 shredders
3 Grotesque with no upgrades

Both are similarly costed, with Grotesque being 13 points more expensive. These would be PoF Grots.
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PostSubject: Re: 1500 point tournie list   1500 point tournie list I_icon_minitimeFri Oct 19 2018, 20:44

Hey guys i've decided to go all in with Dark Eldar:

++ Unbound Army (Faction) (Aeldari - Drukhari) [84 PL, 1498pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Detachment Attribute: Kabal of the Obsidian Rose

Detachment Attribute: Prophets of Flesh

+ HQ +

Archon [4 PL, 89pts]: Blaster, Deathly Perfectionist, The Armor of Misery, Venom Blade

Archon [4 PL, 89pts]: Blaster, The Helm of Spite, Venom Blade

Haemonculus [5 PL, 76pts]: Electrocorrosive whip, Haemonculus tools, Splinter Pistol, The Vexator Mask

Urien Rakarth [5 PL, 90pts]

+ Troops +

Kabalite Warriors [2 PL, 47pts]
. 3x Kabalite Warrior
. Kabalite Warrior with special weapon: Blaster
. Sybarite: Splinter Rifle

Kabalite Warriors [2 PL, 47pts]
. 3x Kabalite Warrior
. Kabalite Warrior with special weapon: Blaster
. Sybarite: Splinter Rifle

Kabalite Warriors [2 PL, 47pts]
. 3x Kabalite Warrior
. Kabalite Warrior with special weapon: Blaster
. Sybarite: Splinter Rifle

Wracks [3 PL, 47pts]
. Acothyst: Haemonculus tools, Venom Blade
. 4x Wracks

Wracks [3 PL, 47pts]
. Acothyst: Haemonculus tools, Venom Blade
. 4x Wracks

Wracks [3 PL, 47pts]
. Acothyst: Haemonculus tools, Venom Blade
. 4x Wracks

+ Elites +

Grotesques [6 PL, 105pts]
. Grotesque: Flesh Gauntlet, Monstrous cleaver
. Grotesque: Flesh Gauntlet, Monstrous cleaver
. Grotesque: Flesh Gauntlet, Monstrous cleaver

+ Heavy Support +

Ravager [7 PL, 125pts]: Disintegrator cannon, Disintegrator cannon, Disintegrator cannon

Ravager [7 PL, 125pts]: Disintegrator cannon, Disintegrator cannon, Disintegrator cannon

Talos [18 PL, 297pts]
. Talos: Macro-Scalpel, Macro-Scalpel
. . Two Haywire Blasters: 2x Haywire blaster
. Talos: Macro-Scalpel, Macro-Scalpel
. . Two Haywire Blasters: 2x Haywire blaster
. Talos: Macro-Scalpel, Macro-Scalpel
. . Two Haywire Blasters: 2x Haywire blaster

+ Dedicated Transport +

Raider [5 PL, 90pts]: Disintegrator cannon, Splinter Racks

Venom [4 PL, 65pts]: Splinter Cannon, Twin splinter rifle

Venom [4 PL, 65pts]: Splinter Cannon, Twin splinter rifle

++ Total: [84 PL, 1498pts] ++


Two Battalions, Urien also in there for the D3 extra CP. Deadly Perfectionist is a really nice warlord trait imo. It's on this Sunday!
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PostSubject: Re: 1500 point tournie list   1500 point tournie list I_icon_minitimeFri Oct 19 2018, 20:55

Let us know how it goes.

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PostSubject: Re: 1500 point tournie list   1500 point tournie list I_icon_minitimeSun Oct 21 2018, 19:58

Played 3 games. I ended up coming 5th.

My first game was against Tau and I utterly destroyed him. Kinda felt bad because it was against a young kid and he got super salty when my wracks tanked something like 11 ion flamer attacks in Turn 2. He legit cried at the end of the match. I tried to give him some advice after, don't put your infantry right at the front where my grotesques and gun boats can get well within range of.

Second game was against Space Wolves. I lost that by 1pt, a little bit annoyed with myself because Turn 3 I was getting the upper hand and was looking like i was going to table him but i ran out of time. I should have used my wracks more for assaults rather than sitting on objectives that weren't scoring. But a very good game that I should have won and played a bit more attention to.

Third game I really hated. 120 "cultists" (120 guards men spray painted black), 3 barely recognisable blobs being passed off as Tzeentch Demon Princes and Magnus who liked like the only legit model.

This guy kept telling me that he was buffing Magnus to Tough 8, but I was told afterwards that Magnus can never buff himself beyond T7. Just made me wonder what other stuff he wasn't disclosing. Loads of my blasters and Str8 Talos were failing to wound because I thought i had to roll 4's to wound all the time (I did drop Magnus from 18 to 10 wounds). I ended up losing this match badly.

He took so f*****g long over his psychic and movement phase that I didn't have time to go a turn 3. Just wish I deployed everything at the start rather than a T2 deepstrike. This guy ended up coming 2nd.

I had no reason to believe Magnus couldn't buff himself to T8, so I never questioned it.
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PostSubject: Re: 1500 point tournie list   1500 point tournie list I_icon_minitimeSun Oct 21 2018, 23:33

I would have called a TO on the 3rd guy.

But how was the SW list? I have... I think i have, a very competitive SW list i've been looking at to help a friend (I think they are more comp than BA and DA, and NO loyal 32, SW battalion and a Ultra Marine Scout battalion with scouts, scout bikes, etc...and OFC Gman).

Over all you did well IMO for what you went against.



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PostSubject: Re: 1500 point tournie list   1500 point tournie list I_icon_minitimeMon Oct 22 2018, 00:04

Amish I didnt know about the Magnus thing until a buddy of mine who also lost to this Tzeetch player with a IG soup said he also was told Magnus was T8. The guy who won the whole thing said he played the Tzeentch player first and he questioned him on it until he found out Magnus could only go T7. So this Tzeentch player KNEW and went into the next two games lying. Another guy who plays Thousand Sons told us after the Tournament that Magnus cannot buff himself to T8. Sucks because I hate crap like that. I don't mind people getting things wrong, but that's pure cheating imo. I had a bad vibe from this guy from the start and I should have probably questioned more myself going back.

The SW list consisted of two squads of Three of the Wolf riders, two squads of 5 Wulfen with Storm Shields, Intecesors, Primaris, Rune Priest and a Chaplain and then some bog standard marines. Looking back at the tournament there were very, very few vehicles. Tbh I think Grotesques and Talos are more than a match for SW. That said SW have really really good CC units. Better than BA even.

He had a Rune Priest who used that ability that grants 6' heroic intervention. Armour of Misery totally negated that +1 to hit ability.

All in all, most of my units were pretty good. Twenty Four inch blasters is so good. The Helm of Spite was a bit of a waste I thought and I probably would get a different relic next time if I was going to spend the 3CP on extra relics. I wasn't all that impressed with Wracks beyond being tanky objective holders (which is good IF you get decent Tac Objectives). I probably should have put chain flails on the Talos instead of going double Macro Scalpels.
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PostSubject: Re: 1500 point tournie list   1500 point tournie list I_icon_minitimeMon Oct 22 2018, 00:15

yeah that sucks about the cheating slow play guy.

IMO Wracks are good for 3 reasons, hold objectives (you kow that), but also b.c they can TP, and they can threaten units like Cultist/Guardsman, if you dont need them on objectives rush them up, or Tp them behind the enemy.

And yeah the Chain flails are really good, there is to much models on the table normally for double Macros

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