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PostSubject: Dark eldar list 2000pts help needed   Dark eldar list 2000pts help needed I_icon_minitimeMon Sep 10 2018, 09:09

I’m prepping for a tournament that my friend is running every year down in Nottingham and I’ve written up 2 lists, any help is appreciated.

Rules:
3 detachments
Titanic units can be used (and will be used)
Use only codex if your army have one (no blaster archon or trueborn for me...)

List 1:

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Aeldari - Drukhari) [44 PL, 876pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Detachment Attribute: Kabal of the Obsidian Rose

+ HQ +

Archon [4 PL, 72pts]: Splinter pistol, Venom Blade

Archon [4 PL, 72pts]: Splinter pistol, Venom Blade

+ Troops +

Kabalite Warriors [2 PL, 47pts]
. 3x Kabalite Warrior
. Kabalite Warrior with special weapon: Blaster
. Sybarite: Splinter Rifle

Kabalite Warriors [2 PL, 47pts]
. 3x Kabalite Warrior
. Kabalite Warrior with special weapon: Blaster
. Sybarite: Splinter Rifle

Kabalite Warriors [2 PL, 47pts]
. 3x Kabalite Warrior
. Kabalite Warrior with special weapon: Blaster
. Sybarite: Splinter Rifle

Kabalite Warriors [2 PL, 47pts]
. 3x Kabalite Warrior
. Kabalite Warrior with special weapon: Blaster
. Sybarite: Splinter Rifle

Kabalite Warriors [2 PL, 47pts]
. 3x Kabalite Warrior
. Kabalite Warrior with special weapon: Blaster
. Sybarite: Splinter Rifle

Kabalite Warriors [2 PL, 47pts]
. 3x Kabalite Warrior
. Kabalite Warrior with special weapon: Blaster
. Sybarite: Splinter Rifle

+ Dedicated Transport +

Venom [4 PL, 75pts]: Splinter Cannon, Splinter Cannon

Venom [4 PL, 75pts]: Splinter Cannon, Splinter Cannon

Venom [4 PL, 75pts]: Splinter Cannon, Splinter Cannon

Venom [4 PL, 75pts]: Splinter Cannon, Splinter Cannon

Venom [4 PL, 75pts]: Splinter Cannon, Splinter Cannon

Venom [4 PL, 75pts]: Splinter Cannon, Splinter Cannon

++ Spearhead Detachment +1CP (Aeldari - Drukhari) [41 PL, 774pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Detachment Attribute: Kabal of the Black Heart

+ HQ +

Archon [4 PL, 74pts]: Agoniser, Labyrinthine Cunning, Splinter pistol, Warlord (Archon), Writ of the Living Muse

+ Heavy Support +

Ravager [7 PL, 130pts]: Dark Lance, Disintegrator cannon, Disintegrator cannon

Ravager [7 PL, 130pts]: Dark Lance, Disintegrator cannon, Disintegrator cannon

Ravager [7 PL, 130pts]: Dark Lance, Disintegrator cannon, Disintegrator cannon

+ Flyer +

Razorwing Jetfighter [8 PL, 155pts]: Splinter Cannon
. 2 Dark Lances: 2x Dark Lance

Razorwing Jetfighter [8 PL, 155pts]: Splinter Cannon
. 2 Dark Lances: 2x Dark Lance

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Aeldari - Craftworlds) [17 PL, 350pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Craftworld Attribute: Alaitoc: Fieldcraft

+ HQ +

Farseer [6 PL, 115pts]: 2. Doom, 4. Executioner, Shuriken Pistol, Singing Spear

Warlock [2 PL, 55pts]: 4. Protect/Jinx, Shuriken Pistol, Witchblade

+ Troops +

Rangers [3 PL, 60pts]: 5x Ranger

Rangers [3 PL, 60pts]: 5x Ranger

Rangers [3 PL, 60pts]: 5x Ranger

++ Total: [102 PL, 2000pts] ++

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List 2:

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Aeldari - Drukhari) [38 PL, 793pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Detachment Attribute: Kabal of the Obsidian Rose

+ HQ +

Archon [4 PL, 72pts]: Splinter pistol, Venom Blade

Archon [4 PL, 72pts]: Splinter pistol, Venom Blade

+ Troops +

Kabalite Warriors [4 PL, 114pts]
. 6x Kabalite Warrior
. Kabalite warrior with Heavy Weapon: Dark Lance
. Kabalite Warrior with special weapon: Blaster
. Kabalite Warrior with special weapon: Blaster
. Sybarite: Splinter Rifle

Kabalite Warriors [2 PL, 47pts]
. 3x Kabalite Warrior
. Kabalite Warrior with special weapon: Blaster
. Sybarite: Splinter Rifle

Kabalite Warriors [2 PL, 47pts]
. 3x Kabalite Warrior
. Kabalite Warrior with special weapon: Blaster
. Sybarite: Splinter Rifle

Kabalite Warriors [2 PL, 47pts]
. 3x Kabalite Warrior
. Kabalite Warrior with special weapon: Blaster
. Sybarite: Splinter Rifle

Kabalite Warriors [2 PL, 47pts]
. 3x Kabalite Warrior
. Kabalite Warrior with special weapon: Blaster
. Sybarite: Splinter Rifle

Kabalite Warriors [2 PL, 47pts]
. 3x Kabalite Warrior
. Kabalite Warrior with special weapon: Blaster
. Sybarite: Splinter Rifle

+ Dedicated Transport +

Venom [4 PL, 75pts]: Splinter Cannon, Splinter Cannon

Venom [4 PL, 75pts]: Splinter Cannon, Splinter Cannon

Venom [4 PL, 75pts]: Splinter Cannon, Splinter Cannon

Venom [4 PL, 75pts]: Splinter Cannon, Splinter Cannon

++ Spearhead Detachment +1CP (Aeldari - Drukhari) [43 PL, 862pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Detachment Attribute: Kabal of the Black Heart

+ HQ +

Archon [4 PL, 72pts]: Labyrinthine Cunning, Splinter pistol, Venom Blade, Warlord (Archon), Writ of the Living Muse

+ Heavy Support +

Ravager [7 PL, 130pts]: Dark Lance, Disintegrator cannon, Disintegrator cannon

Ravager [7 PL, 130pts]: Dark Lance, Disintegrator cannon, Disintegrator cannon

Ravager [7 PL, 130pts]: Dark Lance, Disintegrator cannon, Disintegrator cannon

Tantalus [18 PL, 400pts]

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Aeldari - Craftworlds) [17 PL, 345pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Craftworld Attribute: Alaitoc: Fieldcraft

+ HQ +

Farseer [6 PL, 110pts]: 2. Doom, 4. Executioner, Shuriken Pistol, Witchblade

Warlock [2 PL, 55pts]: 4. Protect/Jinx, Shuriken Pistol, Witchblade

+ Troops +

Rangers [3 PL, 60pts]: 5x Ranger

Rangers [3 PL, 60pts]: 5x Ranger

Rangers [3 PL, 60pts]: 5x Ranger

++ Total: [98 PL, 2000pts] ++

Created with BattleScribe

The idea is pretty simple everyone is loaded up, for list 2 one 5 man and the 10 man is loaded into the tantalus, and the archons buffs their own detachment and the venoms with split equally into two groups. I will be spending command points for helm of spite if needed for perils and psykers go on foot and rangers push deep strike back. Any suggestions is welcome, preferably competitive because their are people going that I really don’t want to lose to.

Another idea I had was to replace my craft world with uthwie supreme command with eldrad with 2 warlocks with jink and embolden to do the mind war trick.
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PostSubject: Re: Dark eldar list 2000pts help needed   Dark eldar list 2000pts help needed I_icon_minitimeMon Sep 10 2018, 20:38

@Liecho-I want to sleep wrote:
+ HQ +

Archon [4 PL, 72pts]: Splinter pistol, Venom Blade

Archon [4 PL, 72pts]: Splinter pistol, Venom Blade
Fine.

@Liecho-I want to sleep wrote:

Kabalite Warriors [2 PL, 47pts]
. 3x Kabalite Warrior
. Kabalite Warrior with special weapon: Blaster
. Sybarite: Splinter Rifle
Fine.

@Liecho-I want to sleep wrote:
Venom [4 PL, 75pts]: Splinter Cannon, Splinter Cannon
Fine - though I'm starting to think this list is heavily tilted towards anti-infantry.
Are the Archons walking? That seems iffy - especially just to buff Venoms.

@Liecho-I want to sleep wrote:
+ HQ +

Archon [4 PL, 74pts]: Agoniser, Labyrinthine Cunning, Splinter pistol, Warlord (Archon), Writ of the Living Muse

+ Heavy Support +

Ravager [7 PL, 130pts]: Dark Lance, Disintegrator cannon, Disintegrator cannon

Ravager [7 PL, 130pts]: Dark Lance, Disintegrator cannon, Disintegrator cannon

Ravager [7 PL, 130pts]: Dark Lance, Disintegrator cannon, Disintegrator cannon
Anyone needing to hear this is fine isn't aware of the meta Wink

@Liecho-I want to sleep wrote:
Razorwing Jetfighter [8 PL, 155pts]: Splinter Cannon
. 2 Dark Lances: 2x Dark Lance

Razorwing Jetfighter [8 PL, 155pts]: Splinter Cannon
. 2 Dark Lances: 2x Dark Lance
Fine, though I find the value of the s.cannon to be debatable to the points spent on it versus the TL rifle.

@Liecho-I want to sleep wrote:
Farseer [6 PL, 115pts]: 2. Doom, 4. Executioner, Shuriken Pistol, Singing Spear

Warlock [2 PL, 55pts]: 4. Protect/Jinx, Shuriken Pistol, Witchblade

+ Troops +

Rangers [3 PL, 60pts]: 5x Ranger

Rangers [3 PL, 60pts]: 5x Ranger

Rangers [3 PL, 60pts]: 5x Ranger
Fine.

The big holes I see with this list is mostly with the immobility of the HQs. I am not a fan of Obsidian Rose, but if you're taking it then your goal is to play the range game and dance on the edge of your opponent's army. However, you have footslogging Archons to do this with, and, yeah, they can use Advance and keep up generally, but are quickly going to be danced out of position I would think. I'll also admit to guarded pessimism about pairing something needing the mobility of Obsidian Rose with the objective squatting Craftworld addition, and again find myself wondering the real point/value of the HQs there as well.

In an overall sense I also think you're lacking tools to deal with the Knight meta.
I see 4 Dark Lances, 6 Blasters, and 9 Dissies. All well and good, but when you're trying to strip 24 wounds a turn from behind a 4-5+ invulnerable save that can get tight. I just did a team tournament last night where I faced a lot of Knights, I had 14 Dissies, 3 Blasters, and 3 Haywire Blasters and generally did 'okay' in mauling a Knight a turn at a 1250 build, for 2000 straight I feel like you're going to be punching light, especially on trying to get enough Blasters in range.

I would suggest this build could benefit from more Dissies (of course I always say that nowadays) but they will help anti infantry as well as increasing your anti-mech shooting. You could juggle some points really easy to get some Raiders instead of some Venoms (which would also give your Archons some greater options at deployment). Another potential option is to consider the idea of floating in some Scourges with Blasters or Haywire Blasters, they can be very affordable, though it would drop your Troop compliment most likely which I'm not a giant fan of either.

Overall I would not personally advise this list if I expected Knight players or heavy IG tank play.





@Liecho-I want to sleep wrote:
Archon [4 PL, 72pts]: Splinter pistol, Venom Blade

Archon [4 PL, 72pts]: Splinter pistol, Venom Blade
Second verse, same as the first - these remain fine.

@Liecho-I want to sleep wrote:
Kabalite Warriors [4 PL, 114pts]
. 6x Kabalite Warrior
. Kabalite warrior with Heavy Weapon: Dark Lance
. Kabalite Warrior with special weapon: Blaster
. Kabalite Warrior with special weapon: Blaster
. Sybarite: Splinter Rifle
I tend not to bother paying for the Lance when doing this, since I don't see the value in paying that much for a weapon I'll usually end up shooting to hit with a 4+ on.

@Liecho-I want to sleep wrote:
Kabalite Warriors [2 PL, 47pts]
. 3x Kabalite Warrior
. Kabalite Warrior with special weapon: Blaster
. Sybarite: Splinter Rifle
Five of these, fine.

@Liecho-I want to sleep wrote:
Venom [4 PL, 75pts]: Splinter Cannon, Splinter Cannon
4 Venoms, 6 Troop squads and 2 HQs...waiting for it Wink

@Liecho-I want to sleep wrote:
Tantalus [18 PL, 400pts]
Not what I was fully anticipating, but there it is.
Skipping the Black Heart Ravager constant companion build, because we all know it's fine.

Craftworld is the same deal as last time - fine

@Liecho-I want to sleep wrote:
The idea is pretty simple everyone is loaded up, for list 2 one 5 man and the 10 man is loaded into the tantalus, and the archons buffs their own detachment and the venoms with split equally into two groups. I will be spending command points for helm of spite if needed for perils and psykers go on foot and rangers push deep strike back.
For the second list lot of my HQ questions still hold, you say everyone is mounted up - but only one Archon could hop into the Tantalus with the other 15 peeps, so then still one is footslogging in a sprint after his chosen selection of Venoms.

I'll also note just conceptually - taking Flayed Skull will generally net you better returns for you with less Archon effort - you'll get re-rolls for everyone inside the Venoms even if outside of the Archon's bubble (something you normally wouldn't get at all) and though you lose 6" in range you gain 3" in movement and the ability to ignore cover saves. Just tossing it out there as a concept, I get that 18" Blasters can more easily invite charges, but frankly think positioning works wonders on that regardless.

Of the two lists I think the first list lacks anti-armor, and the second has it, but with the noted penalty of one giant target for your opponent to focus fire on.
I'd tend to favor the first list of the two if forced to choose, but would note my thoughts on its seeming weaknesses.

Hope we get to hear your results at the tournament when it happens!

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PostSubject: Re: Dark eldar list 2000pts help needed   Dark eldar list 2000pts help needed I_icon_minitimeMon Sep 10 2018, 22:08

Thank you so much I’ll play around with the first list with more dl and maybe jet bikes on the psykers tho I really don’t like the idea of those, the scorages is definitely a great shout might drop a flier for them and the archon problem I might have to pay for the raiders but then again they were only supposed to buff the 24” blasters at max range and can be sacrificed if really needed. And Scourages I might try the haywire option because of the points. Thanks again for going through both lists unit by unit.
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