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PostSubject: Need a list Against tau :)   Need a list Against tau :) I_icon_minitimeThu Aug 02 2018, 13:01

Hello.

If anyone can whip up a list or suggest units/tactics i should use against tau.

Me and my bestfriend play vs. eachother and i almost always get beaten to fast.
Ofc. me only mostly having fast attack and 1 wound units this is meant to be a slaughter.
I bought my units from what i felt looked the nicest, but my setup is not good.
I would like to play atleast 5 rounds and have some good funny fights. I know all the rules and basic tactics with best use of drugs etc.  - im just looking for suggestions to what units i should buy and bring vs his tau.

He has everything from tau and almost always uses the same units. All his troops are easy kill but its the units called "Coalition command, Riptide and stormsurges that doing damage"

He easily takes my shadowfield from my archon (i use the armor for 4+inv) and i think he is basing his play around taking my archons down, cus yeah. they are good.

Anyways. Feel free and please suggest what i should take with me in a battle, so we can have longer more fun games, and not just me being tabled to fast Very Happy
We play around 1500 -> 1700 pts
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PostSubject: Re: Need a list Against tau :)   Need a list Against tau :) I_icon_minitimeThu Aug 02 2018, 15:16

The easy answer for dealing with Tau suits of all sizes is to have dark matter shooting options. Lances, blasters, and Dissies will all chew them up.

What is an example of your current build? Do you have much dark matter shooting?
If you don't have 3x Ravagers that would be my first suggestion as they are very affordable and put out a lot of firepower that the Tau will not absorb too brilliantly.

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PostSubject: Re: Need a list Against tau :)   Need a list Against tau :) I_icon_minitimeThu Aug 02 2018, 15:51

Id recommend dissie canons, dark lances have not enough volume to circumvent drones
and everything that has a -1 to hit modifier, mandrakes, venoms, flyers etc
and snipers are really strong, their warlords (mostly ethereals) are really squishy
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PostSubject: Re: Need a list Against tau :)   Need a list Against tau :) I_icon_minitimeThu Aug 02 2018, 16:35

Cool.

Snipers? What can i use as snipers

I have 2 raiders and 2 venoms, the rest is stuff on foot(Wyches, Kabalitewarriors 2x succu 2 archon 1 haem). I have some reavers and hellions too... oh and 10 scourges.

3 Ravagers. Yes i see these alot, and i want more venoms then, but kabalites in them bring blasters and i guess thats not to good because of drones?
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PostSubject: Re: Need a list Against tau :)   Need a list Against tau :) I_icon_minitimeThu Aug 02 2018, 17:02

@Darktemplar wrote:
Cool.

Snipers? What can i use as snipers

I have 2 raiders and 2 venoms, the rest is stuff on foot(Wyches, Kabalitewarriors 2x succu 2 archon 1 haem). I have some reavers and hellions too... oh and 10 scourges.

3 Ravagers. Yes i see these alot, and i want more venoms then, but kabalites in them bring blasters and i guess thats not to good because of drones?

Don't disregard hexriffles. They don't have much punch, but they are cheap and you can easily field 3-4 without compromising the rest of your army.
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PostSubject: Re: Need a list Against tau :)   Need a list Against tau :) I_icon_minitimeThu Aug 02 2018, 23:03

As Tau are one of my primary opponents, a few things to note:

1) I will assume you are running mono DE. If you are willing to run CWE than Altioc wrecks them. Hard.

2) Don't discredit the troops. Fire warriors and Breachers can put out some serious hurt. TBH, as you said they do die fairly easily...

3) Their big suits are not vehicles, so no haywire (BOO) but Poison can still wound on 4+ (YAY).

4) Riptides: Either focus all in or none. If you are going to shoot it, you must finish it. 1 CP can bring it back to shooting at full capacity.

5) As many will and have said - vexator mask. No overwatch for Tau hurt.


How many points are you looking at fielding and what models do you have to use?
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PostSubject: Re: Need a list Against tau :)   Need a list Against tau :) I_icon_minitimeFri Aug 03 2018, 13:43

@Faitherun wrote:
As Tau are one of my primary opponents, a few things to note:

1) I will assume you are running mono DE. If you are willing to run CWE than Altioc wrecks them. Hard.

2) Don't discredit the troops. Fire warriors and Breachers can put out some serious hurt. TBH, as you said they do die fairly easily...

3) Their big suits are not vehicles, so no haywire (BOO) but Poison can still wound on 4+ (YAY).

4) Riptides: Either focus all in or none. If you are going to shoot it, you must finish it. 1 CP can bring it back to shooting at full capacity.

5) As many will and have said - vexator mask. No overwatch for Tau hurt.


How many points are you looking at fielding and what models do you have to use?

1) Yes i will be running mono DE

2) Gotcha

3) Oh yeah true, poison on 4s. I actualy know this, but my priorities are wrong in this regard. Good point

4) Riptides. Yeah. What do you do against them? You have to decide in the current battle i guess. If its worth it or not.

5) I'm just feeling that Vexator mask is going to be a big play. I HAVE to get a unit with Vexator mask to lead the charge. It feels like that orc in LotR 2 Towers, that has to run the bomb into the wall Very Happy But okay - he succeeds

Dissies or Dark Lances?

Last time we played it was 1780.

I can bring any unit this time (proxying and borrowing) So everything is legit with every loadout possible.

Its fair, cus he has EVERYTHING tau got
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PostSubject: Re: Need a list Against tau :)   Need a list Against tau :) I_icon_minitimeFri Aug 03 2018, 18:26

I would bring dissies. If he brings stealthsuits or stuff like that dissies are much better than dark lances.

I would almost every time recommend dissies as you already get darklight from balster warriors.
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PostSubject: Re: Need a list Against tau :)   Need a list Against tau :) I_icon_minitimeFri Aug 03 2018, 18:44

Dissies it is.

Darklight?
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PostSubject: Re: Need a list Against tau :)   Need a list Against tau :) I_icon_minitimeFri Aug 03 2018, 22:20

Well, with all the tools to play with...

I would def go with a mix of Diss to Lance in your army.

I typically don't advocate for venoms, but in this case, I would venom spam for the -1 to hit. Also, true born / scourges with shredders do a really good job on tau - wound on 2+ with re-rolls, yes please.

Finally, Flyers. They are annoying, can do a ton of damage, and with good positioning, can snipe out characters. I prefer RWJF with lances over the bomber but a case can be made for pretty much any of them.

I would also give him target saturation. 3-5 venoms with warriors with a PGL and a blaster, tripple ravagers, and planes is going to make it very hard for him to focus down what he want's to kill. PGL is there for the strat, which can be nice on pesky riptides. Riptides die to weight of fire, don't try and pop it with the one big shot. That can work, but I have killed more riptides with splinter than with dark matter shots.

Here is a quick 2k list I made

Kabal of the Black Heart:

2 x Archon, Blaster, PGL, Husk blade
Archon, Poison Blade, WotLM

5 x 5 warriors, PGL, Blaster
5 Venoms

Trueborn, 4 x blaster
Raider, PGL, Lance, Shock Prow

3 x 5 scourges w/ 4 shreders
5 mandrakes

3 x Ravager w/ 2 diss, Lance, shock prow

2 x RWJF, Diss, SC

That should be about 2k.

The raider picks up the two archons, and will DS to drop out 7 blaster/dark lance shots on something

Venoms hang out 18" and make a nuisance of themselves

This is just one idea of a list - and may not be your play-style.
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PostSubject: Re: Need a list Against tau :)   Need a list Against tau :) I_icon_minitimeMon Aug 06 2018, 18:53

Wauw. Thanks alot. Alot of work in this.

A random question. Never really understood. What is trueborn? And where can i find their datasheets?

Thanks for the great feedback so far Smile

I will report how my battle went, when we are going to play some
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PostSubject: Re: Need a list Against tau :)   Need a list Against tau :) I_icon_minitimeMon Aug 06 2018, 19:24

@Darktemplar wrote:
Wauw. Thanks alot. Alot of work in this.

A random question. Never really understood. What is trueborn? And where can i find their datasheets?

Thanks for the great feedback so far Smile

I will report how my battle went, when we are going to play some

Trueborn are listed in the index. Therefore, thank to the stupid GW flowchart that someone else could link here, they still can be played
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PostSubject: Re: Need a list Against tau :)   Need a list Against tau :) I_icon_minitimeTue Aug 07 2018, 02:47

@dumpeal wrote:
@Darktemplar wrote:
Wauw. Thanks alot. Alot of work in this.

A random question. Never really understood. What is trueborn? And where can i find their datasheets?

Thanks for the great feedback so far Smile

I will report how my battle went, when we are going to play some

Trueborn are listed in the index. Therefore, thank to the stupid GW flowchart that someone else could link here, they still can be played

Ask and you shall receive...
https://whc-cdn.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/warhammer_40000_designers_commentary_en-1.pdf

Flow chart is the last page.

Basically, GW said if it's in the index it is still playable.

Trueborn are our elite warriors. Fluffwise, they are naturally made instead of vat grown.

Play wise, they are warriors capable of taking 4 special/heavy weapons
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PostSubject: Re: Need a list Against tau :)   Need a list Against tau :) I_icon_minitimeWed Aug 08 2018, 10:37

Thanks for the cool dedicated answers. I picked Dark eldar cus i really like their style. The dark gloomy gothic feel in fantasy worlds made to perfection with this team.

Happy to get some help on actually playing the game aswell.

I will try a squad of trueborns. Most likely gonna try very much everything from your list.

As i said i will report back
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PostSubject: Re: Need a list Against tau :)   Need a list Against tau :) I_icon_minitimeWed Aug 08 2018, 13:22

Is there a way i can snipe his characters?
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PostSubject: Re: Need a list Against tau :)   Need a list Against tau :) I_icon_minitimeWed Aug 08 2018, 15:28

@dumpeal wrote:
@Darktemplar wrote:
Cool.

Snipers? What can i use as snipers

I have 2 raiders and 2 venoms, the rest is stuff on foot(Wyches, Kabalitewarriors 2x succu 2 archon 1 haem). I have some reavers and hellions too... oh and 10 scourges.

3 Ravagers. Yes i see these alot, and i want more venoms then, but kabalites in them bring blasters and i guess thats not to good because of drones?

Don't disregard hexriffles. They don't have much punch, but they are cheap and you can easily field 3-4 without compromising the rest of your army.
Being heavy weapons, I don’t find hex rifles to be impressive. There is the esoteric kill stratagem too, but then you’re using an inferior Coven. Finally, there is the sniper pistol if you play poison tongue. Drukhari can’t really snipe the traditional way. As models become thinned out and isolated, Ravagers and Razorwings are often fast enough to position themselves close to enemy characters enough to target them directly. That’s about your best bet when it comes to sniping.
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PostSubject: Re: Need a list Against tau :)   Need a list Against tau :) I_icon_minitimeThu Aug 09 2018, 00:39

For snipers, I like Razorwing Jet fighters. Fast enough to get behind enemy lines, careful positioning can see you be able to get them close the the IC. Or to only have one unit between you and it - and if you can wipe that unit, the path to the IC is clear. The full firepower of a jet has often melted enemy characters.
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PostSubject: Re: Need a list Against tau :)   Need a list Against tau :) I_icon_minitimeThu Aug 09 2018, 19:47

Yeah unless your opponent is very, very savvy to fliers you can easily perform drive-by shootings of characters.

I've yet to actually kill anyone's Warlord in the Fight phase Sad

But I have made many inky skidmarks on the table Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Need a list Against tau :)   Need a list Against tau :) I_icon_minitimeThu Aug 09 2018, 20:22

@Faitherun wrote:
For snipers, I like Razorwing Jet fighters. Fast enough to get behind enemy lines, careful positioning can see you be able to get them close the the IC. Or to only have one unit between you and it - and if you can wipe that unit, the path to the IC is clear. The full firepower of a jet has often melted enemy characters.

IC?

I will try with razorwing, i think thats my playstyle. Im really going to practice this some, cus i think i can make some easy game-runing frak ups.

or maybe not Wink . who knows
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PostSubject: Re: Need a list Against tau :)   Need a list Against tau :) I_icon_minitimeThu Aug 09 2018, 20:30

IC=Independent Character=Character
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PostSubject: Re: Need a list Against tau :)   Need a list Against tau :) I_icon_minitimeThu Aug 09 2018, 20:52

Ah okay.

Now this is the list Faitherun made (in this post)

Could you help me assign Detachments? Im not sure how to get the most CP from this

AND

against tau. Do you ever focus drones?

Kabal of the Black Heart:

2 x Archon, Blaster, PGL, Husk blade
Archon, Poison Blade, WotLM

5 x 5 warriors, PGL, Blaster
5 Venoms

Trueborn, 4 x blaster
Raider, PGL, Lance, Shock Prow

3 x 5 scourges w/ 4 shreders
5 mandrakes

3 x Ravager w/ 2 diss, Lance, shock prow

2 x RWJF, Diss, SC
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PostSubject: Re: Need a list Against tau :)   Need a list Against tau :) I_icon_minitimeThu Aug 09 2018, 21:04

Battalion
2 x Archon, Blaster, PGL, Husk blade

5 x 5 warriors, PGL, Blaster
5 Venoms

Trueborn, 4 x blaster
Raider, PGL, Lance, Shock Prow

3 x 5 scourges w/ 4 shreders
5 mandrakes

2 x RWJF, Diss, SC

Spearhead
Archon, Poison Blade, WotLM

3 x Ravager w/ 2 diss, Lance, shock prow
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PostSubject: Re: Need a list Against tau :)   Need a list Against tau :) I_icon_minitimeThu Aug 09 2018, 22:01

Roger! thanks again
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PostSubject: Re: Need a list Against tau :)   Need a list Against tau :) I_icon_minitimeFri Aug 10 2018, 22:46

An archon standing on the ground within 6 inches of a venom holding 5 kabalite warriors. Will the kabalite warriors be given the archons buff? Or does he have to be embarked on a transport to give of this aura?
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PostSubject: Re: Need a list Against tau :)   Need a list Against tau :) I_icon_minitimeFri Aug 10 2018, 23:04

@Darktemplar wrote:
An archon standing on the ground within 6 inches of a venom holding 5 kabalite warriors. Will the kabalite warriors be given the archons buff? Or does he have to be embarked on a transport to give of this aura?

none. Archon (and other aura rules) only work from and to models on the field. When you're onboard, you magically disappear and can't receive or give any buff or malus.
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