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Lost Vyper
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PostSubject: 2000p Tournament List (WYSIWYG needed, that´s why the Talos loadout...)   Sat Jun 30 2018, 18:41

Hi,

Lost Vyper here,

I´m going to the one of the biggest Finnish 40k tournaments ( https://2018.ropecon.fi/eng/ ) for the first time and here´s the list i´m going to run...as the title suggested, i have only the Talos i have in the list, so no need to comment on those here, cos i don´t have them magnetized...

So of we go!

Battalion + Spearhed (and gonna use a CP for Alliance of Agony, d3 CP and a re-roll for the Haemie)

Ropecon Kabalite 2000p 1/2

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Aeldari - Drukhari) [46 PL, 953pts] ++

Detachment Attribute: Kabal of the Obsidian Rose

+ HQ [8 PL, 172pts] +

Archon [4 PL, 86pts]: Blast Pistol [10pts], Hatred Eternal, Huskblade [6pts], The Armor of Misery, Warlord (Archon)

Archon [4 PL, 86pts]: Blast Pistol [10pts], Huskblade [6pts]
(most likely going to use a CP to get Helm of Spite here)

+ Troops [8 PL, 191pts] +

Kabalite Warriors [2 PL, 47pts]
. 3x Kabalite Warrior [18pts]
. Kabalite Warrior with special weapon [23pts]: Blaster [17pts]
. Sybarite [6pts]: Splinter Rifle

Kabalite Warriors [2 PL, 47pts]
. 3x Kabalite Warrior [18pts]
. Kabalite Warrior with special weapon [23pts]: Blaster [17pts]
. Sybarite [6pts]: Splinter Rifle

Kabalite Warriors [4 PL, 97pts]
. 7x Kabalite Warrior [42pts]
. Kabalite warrior with Heavy Weapon [26pts]: Dark Lance [20pts]
. Kabalite Warrior with special weapon [23pts]: Blaster [17pts]
. Sybarite [6pts]: Splinter Rifle

+ Elites [8 PL, 160pts] +

Mandrakes [4 PL, 80pts]: 4x Mandrake [64pts], Nightfiend [16pts]

Mandrakes [4 PL, 80pts]: 4x Mandrake [64pts], Nightfiend [16pts]

+ Heavy Support [14 PL, 280pts] +

Ravager [7 PL, 140pts]: Dark Lance [20pts], Dark Lance [20pts], Dark Lance [20pts]

Ravager [7 PL, 140pts]: Dark Lance [20pts], Dark Lance [20pts], Dark Lance [20pts]

+ Dedicated Transport [8 PL, 150pts] +

Venom [4 PL, 75pts]: Splinter Cannon [10pts], Splinter Cannon [10pts]

Venom [4 PL, 75pts]: Splinter Cannon [10pts], Splinter Cannon [10pts]

++ Total: [46 PL, 953pts] ++



Ropecon Covens 2000 2/2

++ Spearhead Detachment +1CP (Aeldari - Drukhari) [61 PL, 1045pts] ++

Detachment Attribute: Prophets of Flesh

+ HQ [5 PL, 78pts] +

Haemonculus [5 PL, 78pts]: Scissorhand [8pts], Splinter Pistol

+ Elites [20 PL, 350pts] +

Grotesques [10 PL, 175pts]
. Grotesque [2 PL, 35pts]: Flesh Gauntlet [3pts], Monstrous cleaver
. Grotesque [2 PL, 35pts]: Flesh Gauntlet [3pts], Monstrous cleaver
. Grotesque [2 PL, 35pts]: Flesh Gauntlet [3pts], Monstrous cleaver
. Grotesque [2 PL, 35pts]: Flesh Gauntlet [3pts], Monstrous cleaver
. Grotesque [2 PL, 35pts]: Flesh Gauntlet [3pts], Monstrous cleaver

Grotesques [10 PL, 175pts]
. Grotesque [2 PL, 35pts]: Flesh Gauntlet [3pts], Monstrous cleaver
. Grotesque [2 PL, 35pts]: Flesh Gauntlet [3pts], Monstrous cleaver
. Grotesque [2 PL, 35pts]: Flesh Gauntlet [3pts], Monstrous cleaver
. Grotesque [2 PL, 35pts]: Flesh Gauntlet [3pts], Monstrous cleaver
. Grotesque [2 PL, 35pts]: Flesh Gauntlet [3pts], Monstrous cleaver

+ Heavy Support [36 PL, 617pts] +

Talos [12 PL, 202pts]
. Talos [6 PL, 103pts]: Macro-Scalpel [4pts], Macro-Scalpel [4pts]
. . Two Splinter Cannons [20pts]: 2x Splinter Cannon [20pts]
. Talos [6 PL, 99pts]: Macro-Scalpel [4pts], Macro-Scalpel [4pts]
. . Two Haywire Blasters [16pts]: 2x Haywire blaster [16pts]

Talos [12 PL, 201pts]
. Talos [6 PL, 103pts]: Macro-Scalpel [4pts], Macro-Scalpel [4pts]
. . Two Splinter Cannons [20pts]: 2x Splinter Cannon [20pts]
. Talos [6 PL, 98pts]: Macro-Scalpel [4pts], Macro-Scalpel [4pts], Stinger Pod [15pts]

Talos [12 PL, 214pts]
. Talos [6 PL, 107pts]: Macro-Scalpel [4pts], Macro-Scalpel [4pts]
. . Two Heat lances [24pts]: 2x Heat lance [24pts]
. Talos [6 PL, 107pts]: Macro-Scalpel [4pts], Macro-Scalpel [4pts]
. .Two Heat lances [24pts]: 2x Heat lance [24pts]

++ Total: [61 PL, 1045pts] ++

I have played with this list (or variable) with loads of times and i know, it´s going to work wonders against some lists and against, like parking lots with Guilliman...sh***********t...not so well. I faced Guilly and multiple Repulsors in the last tournament and it was something awful...

But, old nightmares away from sight and on to create new ones Smile

I have usually two things to DS, Mandrakes and either the Ravagers or the Grots the other two (3CP´s thou...darn!) will do the same. I love especially the Grots and their T5 & 4+Inv to hassle LOADS of stuff and with W4 now-a-days, they are a must! Mandrakes are a bit hit or a miss, they might deliver so much mortal wounds that anything dies, or do jack. I have almost had better luck with them in CC locking down some non-flying backfield guns.

For the obsessions,
Prophets, c´mon, is there another one?.
I have normally used the re-roll 1´s for poison for the Kabalites, but i played one game with Obsidian and the extra range in WAY better, more hits = more wounds from a far (duh).

I usually drop a 5 x Warriors & 10 man squad on an Objective(s) (depending the mission of course, and 2nd in command babysits the 10 man squad (with the Helm, he´s pretty good to deny backfield shenanigans)

Step in plz, if you have any insight to improve Smile

- LV
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PostSubject: Re: 2000p Tournament List (WYSIWYG needed, that´s why the Talos loadout...)   Tue Jul 03 2018, 18:24

First test game over against Custodes+Deathwatch...missions were Contact Lost + Frontline Assault...i won the game 28-7, which would have meant full 20-0 points to my advantage in the tournament point system Smile.

Well, let´s just say, that Hellfire rounds to the Talos face re-rolling the 1´s is devastating...and also some of the Custodes CC and making the saves of 2+ or 3+, geez! My friend rolled like 12/14 3+! And to get the Custodes dead with poison...well, took SOME effort Wink.

I was happy with the Obsidian Rose + Prophets -obsession combo. Tournament has the Power lvl thingy in what can u drop from DS or whatnot, so i had one set of Grots & Mandrakes come in turn 2 and same set in turn 3, which turned out to be an ok choice. This was the first time, that i actually had to use that and i´m glad, that i´ll have couple of more weeks before the tournament, to hone that skill aka what-to-put-in-reserves-and-to-drop-in-when...

Got to think about relics more, i used just Armor of Misery (and failed the first Shadowfield save...again...) in this game, but Vexator mask could have saved Talos from Overwatch...

I think the list is shaping up to be what i want, just the strategems, warlord traits (again Alliance of Agony was a must and Soothsayer for the Haemie) and the reserves to whip in to shape.

- LV
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PostSubject: Re: 2000p Tournament List (WYSIWYG needed, that´s why the Talos loadout...)   Tue Jul 10 2018, 17:27

Another training session against the Space Wolves and i wiped him out in the 4th...not much to learn from this game, except playing the missions more thoroughly, forgot couple of things in the midst of battle. If he had more units, the points were not so far off from each other, but the sheer firepower cut him down...first turn, i destroyed 3 Ven Dreds with Lances...

Interesting side note, in the rules in the tournament, Aliiance of Agony CANNOT be used, unless having BOTH, Succubus & Haemie...well, there goes the extra cp´s...Smile. But, the reserves thing was understood wrongly by my last weeks opponent, the Powerlevels come only in play DURING the deployment. After that, you can drop everything in turn 2 (as i did Wink )if needed...

- LV
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PostSubject: Re: 2000p Tournament List (WYSIWYG needed, that´s why the Talos loadout...)   Tue Jul 10 2018, 18:59

Any good stories of murder and misery with your Warlord?
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PostSubject: Re: 2000p Tournament List (WYSIWYG needed, that´s why the Talos loadout...)   Wed Jul 11 2018, 00:29

I'd also love to hear how the large coven detachment worked out. How did the grots vs. the talos perform? Is there a minimum size to that sort of detachment that you think would be ok? It seems like threat saturation is a big part of it, as you note, but that detachment is over half your points.
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PostSubject: Re: 2000p Tournament List (WYSIWYG needed, that´s why the Talos loadout...)   Wed Jul 11 2018, 06:13

Archon Gravon hasn´t really had his moment in these practice games yet, but i hope, that he´ll shine like a dark gem he is in the tournament...

Well, the AoM + Blast Pistol + Huskblade + Hatred Eternal is the best loadout i´ve had for the him and i use (minus the AoM of course Wink ) the same loadout for the 2nd in command. The HE came in handy (again) yesterday, when the two Archons FAILED to kill a Drop Pod in my DZ with two Blast Pistols and i had to go in CC. 5+ to wound and the 2nd in command failed as did the WL, but the WLT saved my hiney, cos i did just enough wounds with the re-roll to kill the DP (needed that for Thousand cuts, cos failed tremendously in shooting phase...). I´ve found now, that if enemy has loads of snipers, that can really hinder the Characters boosts or just appearence on the table (duh, i know, but i haven´t face so many yet in the 8th edition, but love to use Eldar Rangers thou...) too.

As for the Covens part, that´s the best working piece in the puzzle at the moment and my favorite portion of the Drukhari.

I think the only thing that worries me, is the parking lots with re-roll everything. The 3+/4+ and 6+ FNP doesn´t really cut it, when there´s 100 shots coming your way...i felt this in the previous tournament.

But the Spearhead is the best way the get the max effort out of the Covens. No need for the useless Wracks (IMHO) and you can get the big and bigger boys out to play. Yesterday, was the best effort out of the two 2 x Heat Lance Talos. They disposed (by shooting!) a Ven.Dred and tussled with Björn for a while, before the "2+ to hit-re-roll 1´s and wounds on 2´s with a claw re-roll" - dude disposed them. But i have usually paired a HL Talos and a poison shooting Talos, but now, the two HL Talos are gonna stick together Smile.

I really like also the 5 x Grots. They are 20 wounds with T5 with 4++ and 6+ FNP and can tango with anything with T5 or less. T6 and above, the struggle starts, but i´ve gotten better to unleash them on to softer targets, like Gray hunters and Blood Claws yesterday. I have contemplated an idea, to use one big 10 Grot blob to get less drops and save 2 CP´s, but they ´re pretty one dimensional after that, so i´m (with 95% certainity)  gonna keep the 2 x 5 Grots in the list.
I have the Haemie with just the Scissorhand and Vexator mask usually, or Helm, if facing loads of psykers. VM is nice way to block Overwatch, especially when going against like Fragcannons or flamers with the Talos or Grots and make the unit fight last might come handy, when trying to dispose some of the enemy´s CC units.

I think, i haven´t yet faced a REAL threat in these practice games, but i hope (fear), that my next weeks opponent brings the parking lot with Guilly and maybe even a Knight!
The tournament is going to be a real mystery, because there´s like maybe 5-10 guys from our FLGC and rest (over 20) is from somewhere else, so no idea, what i´m gonna face off against, but in the same time, refreshing Smile

- LV

ps. Saw couple of the guys training for the tournament and saw (again) a s***load of Wave Serpents with just Cannons and a throng of Genestealers. Faced both of those type of lists last time and won the first and lost the 2nd...also, Hemlocks up the yingyang...smite!Smite!Smite!Smite!
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PostSubject: Re: 2000p Tournament List (WYSIWYG needed, that´s why the Talos loadout...)   Today at 12:35

CRISIS!

I just saw some lists from the tournament prior the one in couple of weeks...3 x Shadowsword + Guillyman etc...**breaths heavily in to a paper bag**

This got me thinking, should i still try some dirty Eldar list, that could work better against that kind of lists? I got around to this and i´m trying it out tomorrow, just to get a feel about it.

I know it is not a True kin list, but i have to know, which i feel is operating better against these MAX out lists...tomorrow against SM and the last game again against the Wolves (people are on vacation...)...

Battalion Detachment <Ulthwe: Foresight of the Damned>

HQ1: Autarch Fusion Pistol (9) Fusion Gun (17) Power sword (4)
Swooping Hawk Wings,Banshee Mask, Forceshield [121]
HQ2: Farseer :  Shuriken Pistol, Witchblade [110]
Guide, Fortune

Troop1:  5 Dire Avenger [60]
Troop2:  5 Ranger [60]
Troop3:  5 Ranger [60]

Dedicated Transport1: Wave Serpent CTM (5) Twin Bright Lance (40) [157]

Total: [568]


Supreme Command Detachment <Ulthwe: Foresight of the Damned>


HQ1: Warlock Shuriken Pistol, Witchblade [55]
Embolden/Horrify
HQ2: Warlock Shuriken Pistol, Witchblade [55]
Protect/Jinx
HQ3: Warlock Shuriken Pistol, Witchblade [55]
Conceal/Reveal


LoW: Wraithknight Two Heavy Wraithcannons (100) [502]

Total: [667]


Supreme Command Detachment <Ulthwe: Foresight of the Damned>

HQ1: Spiritseer, Shuriken Pistol         [65]
Embolden/Horrify
HQ2: Farseer Skyrunner, Shuriken Pistol, Witchblade,
Twin Shuriken Catapult        [135]
Doom, Mind War
HQ3: Autarch Skyrunner Fusion Pistol (9) Shard of Anaris(4) [113]
Banshee Mask, Forceshield, Twin Shuriken Catapult,
WARLORD : Ulthwe: Fate Reader

LoW: Wraithknight Titanic Ghostglaive & Scattershield (50) [502]

Total: [765]

Whaddya think? Plz, gimme an honest opinion, regardless of the usage of the weaker kin...

- LV

ps. I have a vote going on in our groups whatsapp and the Drukhari are in lead Smile
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