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PostSubject: 1500 against tau for the first time   Mon Jun 18 2018, 14:01

I've never played against the tau, having to play 1500 points which models do you recommend and which ones you do not recommend? Thank you
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PostSubject: Re: 1500 against tau for the first time   Mon Jun 18 2018, 15:04

What kind of game will this be? Casual or competitive?

I'd say generally the simplest way is to just out shoot tau so things like ravagers/ RWJFs w dissis and other kabal shooty goodness is easy. If it's a competitive tau list with commander stuff I'm less sure what the best way to go is.

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PostSubject: Re: 1500 against tau for the first time   Mon Jun 18 2018, 15:17

@GreyArea wrote:
What kind of game will this be? Casual or competitive?

I'd say generally the simplest way is to just out shoot tau so things like ravagers/ RWJFs w dissis and other kabal shooty goodness is easy. If it's a competitive tau list with commander stuff I'm less sure what the best way to go is.

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Competitive...

the only models I haven't are the grotesque ... I thought to make 2 detachments..one of cabal to shoot and one of cult to get in cac..but I'm afraid of his shot and that I can not get well in cac, so, for example:

cabal with 3 ravager and razorwing (all with disintegrator cannon) and venom with warriors (4 normal + 1 blaster), + scourges with haywire blaster

cult with wyches on raider and/or reavers and hellions

my idea are good or not?
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PostSubject: Re: 1500 against tau for the first time   Tue Jun 19 2018, 10:12

Yeah, as many dissis as possible w red grief bikers to apply pressure would be the way I'd go.

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PostSubject: Re: 1500 against tau for the first time   Tue Jun 19 2018, 13:36

Thanks!
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PostSubject: Re: 1500 against tau for the first time   Tue Jun 19 2018, 20:11

do you have any rangers? tau hq and support characters are like guardsmen and their gunline crumbles without etherals and fireblades (and commanders). cram everything you get that has a -1 to hit modifier in your list, venoms, mandrakes, razorwings, voidravens, stratagems etc. dont forget to shoot the drones first and then the suits with your dissies. he will have a lot of things to deepstrike, most likely commanders, crisis suits aren't very competetive. dont count on raiders most competetive tau lists have so many str 7 ap-1 shots they will get blown to bits. vexator mask use it.
do you know which sept he uses?
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PostSubject: Re: 1500 against tau for the first time   Wed Jun 20 2018, 07:14

Do I have any rangers? Do you mean ravager? I play only Drukhari and they haven't rangers.. If I'm not in error!
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PostSubject: Re: 1500 against tau for the first time   Wed Jun 20 2018, 13:16

He was referring to Craftworld Rangers, since many of us use at least 1 Craftworld detachment in our lists.

No big deal either way.

In terms of listbuilding, -1 to hit and MSU is the way to go. Tau are a very "pick 1-2 units and delete them" type of army, with big bonuses for everyone shooting the same things, both in terms of markerlights and stratagems.

So basically, the standard Ravagers + Venom spam is the way to go.

If you think he's going to bring vehicles (not all suits have vehicle keyword I believe), bring some haywire blasters.

You can't really go wrong.

In terms of tactics, just wait until he puts out all his markerlights. That's when you know what targets he's going to delete. Use Lightning-Fast Reflexes on that unit.

Use your poison to knock off Shield Drones, then come in with the big guns.

Watch out for Coldstars jetting around with their 40" movement and 4 Blasters. If you use the standard Black Heart Spearhead, he will come remove that Archon.

Do you know what kinds if lists he tends to bring? Is he a fire warrior spam guy? A Triple Riptide guy? A Shadowsun double Kauyon guy?

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PostSubject: Re: 1500 against tau for the first time   Wed Jun 20 2018, 22:30

dont bother with haywire blasters, only the stormsurge has the vehicle keyword (unlikely that he brings it, its considered sub par)

if he wants to bring vehicles (which he probably wont) he needs a minimum of 3 plus their buff character longstrike (hes also a vehicle)

and always ALWAYS shoot the drones first, one shield drone ignores a dark lance shot on a 2+ and survives on a 5+ , no matter how much damage you roll

i dont think the coldstar is a threat to your archon, the standard loadout is 4 fusion blaster (asslt1, str 8 ap-4 melta), they shouldnt kill him in a turn and after that the coldstar is exposed

and remember also: the tau ability to support fire (FOR THE GREATER GOOD) only works once per unit, if he uses it on a unit, it cannot shoot overwatch again, multicharge only if your sure you get into combat with both units, otherwise he can just declare regular overwatch

if you have any coven models you might be interested in the Esoteric kill stratagem. ethereals are gueardsmen with 4 wounds, killing them is a hard blow for tau (they loose a ld9 and feel no pain bubble)

but the real bane of tau is -as Chippen said- msu and -1 to hit
alaitoc gives every tau player nightmares
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PostSubject: Re: 1500 against tau for the first time   Thu Jun 21 2018, 00:11

Ok...no, i haven't craftworld, i play only Commoragh people! Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy
finally i thought to play this list:

Pheraps he doesn't play any veichle...

1) Flayed Skull air wind detachment: 2 razorwing with disintegrator cannons and splinter cannon, 1 voidraven with void lances and missiles;

2) Flayed Skull battalion: 2 archon with venom blade and PGL, 3x 5 Kabalyte (1 with blaster), 4 venom with 2 splinter cannon;

3) Black Earth spearhead: Archon warlord with Huskblade, PGL, Labyrinthine Cunning and Writ of the living muse, 3x Ravager all with disintegrator cannon.

The idea is to put the warlord near the Ravager to give bonus, air wing and battalion for no cover and bonus to assault weapons and blasters, missiles, void lances and voidraven mine for to shot high resistance targets...
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PostSubject: Re: 1500 against tau for the first time   Wed Jun 27 2018, 20:37

Hi guys! I played with this list today against TAU.
my list:
Drukhari 1500 shooting (Warhammer 40,000 8th Edition) [84 PL, 1500pts]

Air Wing Detachment + 1CP (Aeldari - Drukhari)

Detachment Attribute
Selections: Kabal of the Flayed Skull
Flyer
Razorwing Jetfighter
Selections: Splinter Cannon
2 Disintegrator Cannons
Selections: 2x Disintegrator cannon
Razorwing Jetfighter
Selections: Splinter Cannon
2 Disintegrator Cannons
Selections: 2x Disintegrator cannon
Voidraven
Selections: Two void lances, Voidraven Missiles

Battalion Detachment + 5CP (Aeldari - Drukhari)

Detachment Attribute
Selections: Kabal of the Flayed Skull
HQ
Archon
Selections: Phantasm Grenade Launcher, Splinter pistol, Venom Blade
Archon
Selections: Splinter pistol, Venom Blade
Troops
Kabalite Warriors
3x Kabalite Warrior
Kabalite Warrior with special weapon
Selections: Shredder
Sybarite
Selections: Phantasm Grenade Launcher, Splinter Rifle
Kabalite Warriors
3x Kabalite Warrior
Kabalite Warrior with special weapon
Selections: Shredder
Sybarite
Selections: Phantasm Grenade Launcher, Splinter Rifle
Kabalite Warriors
3x Kabalite Warrior
Kabalite Warrior with special weapon
Selections: Shredder
Sybarite
Selections: Phantasm Grenade Launcher, Splinter Rifle
Dedicated Transport
Venom
Selections: Splinter Cannon, Twin splinter rifle
Venom
Selections: Splinter Cannon, Twin splinter rifle
Venom
Selections: Splinter Cannon, Twin splinter rifle
Venom
Selections: Splinter Cannon, Twin splinter rifle
Venom
Selections: Splinter Cannon, Twin splinter rifle

Spearhead Detachment + 1CP (Aeldari - Drukhari)

Detachment Attribute
Selections: Kabal of the Black Heart
HQ
Archon
Selections: Labyrinthine Cunning, Phantasm Grenade Launcher, Splinter pistol, Venom Blade, Warlord (Archon), Writ of the Living Muse
Heavy Support
Ravager
Selections: Disintegrator cannon, Disintegrator cannon, Disintegrator cannon
Ravager
Selections: Disintegrator cannon, Disintegrator cannon, Disintegrator cannon
Ravager
Selections: Disintegrator cannon, Disintegrator cannon, Disintegrator cannon

The TAU list was, more or less:

1 Commander
1 ethereal with 1 drone
3 fire warrior teams
3 teams of pathfinder
2 reptide
3 xv88

mission n.2 with short side deployment
he starts, I, fortunately, steal the initiative and start.
I move with everything forward and keep the 3 archons at a distance of 6 inches from each vehicle.
well, in the first round i removed 1 reptide, 2 xv88, 3 teams of fire warrior, 2 teams of pathfinder. At the end of his 1 turn he removed me 2 razorwing and then he grants me the victory.

Reflection: for how the deployment and the type of mission came out, I believe that the first one that started would have won. I was lucky to steal the initiative and so I shot a lot .. and I hurt him! thank you to all for the tips!
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PostSubject: Re: 1500 against tau for the first time   Thu Jun 28 2018, 14:44

glad to help and congratulations to your win
sure thing with 2 riptides he could have crippled your army first turn
although it seems his army wasnt top notch min maxed
do you know which sept he played? did he overwatch on a 5+?
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PostSubject: Re: 1500 against tau for the first time   Thu Jun 28 2018, 14:51

@AzraeI wrote:
glad to help and congratulations to your win
sure thing with 2 riptides he could have crippled your army first turn
although it seems his army wasnt top notch min maxed
do you know which sept he played? did he overwatch on a 5+?


No, i don't remember the sept..and because the game ends on first turn (with my victory Laughing Laughing ), he only fired against me..and in that game i think i'd never charge..
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