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Nogrim
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PostSubject: Yannari and soulburst scourges (is it stupid?)   Yannari and soulburst scourges (is it stupid?) I_icon_minitimeMon May 14 2018, 22:21

has anyone ever tried this?
pondering the idea of 3x 5 scourges (shredders) and yncarne in a outrider detachment

they can deepstrike at 9, shoot at 12, but need to be 7" from the unit they kill to get soul burst.

so they wouldnt be able to use soulburst after a deepstrike turn but there potential to make it work after that initial drop (or starting with them on the table) i know scourges are best at range due to the squishiness but the idea of 4xD6 shredders and a possible soulburst follow up sounds like a novel surprise.

mostly just spit balling trying to find some novel way of getting some psyker support and it came to mind as a joke


p.s. its probably not going to work for various reasons but i wanted to float the idea anyway to see if anyone has tried it or to know why specifically its a stupid idea.
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PostSubject: Re: Yannari and soulburst scourges (is it stupid?)   Yannari and soulburst scourges (is it stupid?) I_icon_minitimeMon May 14 2018, 22:33

How much is the Yncarne? how much is a second scourge unit that would do what you're trying to do? (shoot twice)
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PostSubject: Re: Yannari and soulburst scourges (is it stupid?)   Yannari and soulburst scourges (is it stupid?) I_icon_minitimeMon May 14 2018, 22:38

@dumpeal wrote:
How much is the Yncarne? how much is a second scourge unit that would do what you're trying to do? (shoot twice)

The Yncarne is 337 points, so it's cheaper to buy a second unit of Scourges... buuut Yvraine is only 132 points, still cheaper than a Dark Lance Scourge unit, and can use her psychic powers to allow them to reroll hit rolls of 1 and soulburst.

A Ynnari Outrider detachment made up of Scourges is pretty solid, basically. I tried it for a while before the Craftworlds Codex dropped.
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PostSubject: Re: Yannari and soulburst scourges (is it stupid?)   Yannari and soulburst scourges (is it stupid?) I_icon_minitimeTue May 15 2018, 02:13

@ dumpeal - yeah i get yncarne is pricey, but you are also getting 2x psych powers which is the real purpose of it, and since scourges dont get any obsessions or really benefit from pfp and do get access to the ynnari stuff i thought hey why not brainstorm it and see if it could work.


@burnage - have you used them much? if so how do you play them and put the soulburst to work? do you also use shredders or something else? i get the feeling the best it would do is be a novelty that sort of works but you saying its solid has piqued my interest.
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PostSubject: Re: Yannari and soulburst scourges (is it stupid?)   Yannari and soulburst scourges (is it stupid?) I_icon_minitimeTue May 15 2018, 02:36

@Nogrim wrote:
@burnage - have you used them much? if so how do you play them and put the soulburst to work? do you also use shredders or something else? i get the feeling the best it would do is be a novelty that sort of works but you saying its solid has piqued my interest.

I used them fairly frequently back when both Craftworlds and Dark Eldar only had the Index list to go off. Once the Codexes came out and the Ynnari nerfs started, I stopped playing with the Ynnari - I preferred getting the Codex bonuses.

However, even with our Codex the same benefits still apply; running Yvraine alongside Scourges essentially gives you a free unit of them with her Word of the Phoenix (which is even better now that the rule of three is a thing). Ancestor's Grace is also the only way for them to get a reroll buff, since they don't benefit from Obsessions or any of our native character auras. They feel considerably stronger with these buffs on them.

Yvraine isn't especially mobile but both of the psychic powers under consideration have a decent range, so the Scourges can move about a bit while still getting the benefits from her. I typically ran them as a Dark Lance gun-line, though, which is actually related to the key problem with the idea; Ynnari Scourges are basically a worse version of Ynnari Dark Reapers. In virtually every situation the Dark Reapers will blow the Scourges away, even after the points cost increase for them.

Aside from that, I'd also be hesitant running them because the Ynnari seem like they're in a generally bad spot to me. But on paper I could see a small, cheap-ish Ynnari detachment with Scourges still having a fair bit of potential.
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PostSubject: Re: Yannari and soulburst scourges (is it stupid?)   Yannari and soulburst scourges (is it stupid?) I_icon_minitimeTue May 15 2018, 23:28

I dunno about running shredders persay, since that would require you to get super close...which isnt good for scourges IMO... I think most of your soulburst is going to come from the psychic power anyways... it makes me think maybe splinter cannons are the way to go for this... A squad of 10 at 18 inches will be shooting out 42 poisoned shots? for 160pts

But then again, you have to look at it in how well another unit would do its job...
such as Dark Reapers... at str 8 1 shot, or str 5 2 shots, they are very versatile so you're always going to have to ask yourself "are they better than my other options" I dunno how viable Dark Reapers are now after their point increase....but getting two shooting phases with them (three if your opponent deep strikes) is probably worth it still. Just not spammed the hell out of like before...

On a side note, doesnt it feel like GW doesnt really fix units... if they are overused, they just jack up the price to the point nobody wants to use them?
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PostSubject: Re: Yannari and soulburst scourges (is it stupid?)   Yannari and soulburst scourges (is it stupid?) I_icon_minitimeTue May 15 2018, 23:56

"fixing" unis between codexs isn't easy. Increasing and decreasing point values to try and balance them is your best option unless it's a whole category of units (fliers before, now deep strikers).

Reapers are probably at a good price point now, they still do something the army wants and aren't too crazy expensive. But aren't so cheap that you can just overwhelm everything with more fire.
Flocks were nuked from orbit, and they're still trying to get them right.

The warlock and farseers point costs pissed me off, because they didn't do anything to the jetbike versions. I kinda liked having a reason to run my foorlocks and seers, but we're back to no goddamn reason not to territory.
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PostSubject: Re: Yannari and soulburst scourges (is it stupid?)   Yannari and soulburst scourges (is it stupid?) I_icon_minitimeWed May 16 2018, 00:12

I'm still pretty baffled by the Warlock nerf. 55 points for a T3, 2 wound model is crazy.

They could at least have been allowed to cast the full version of Smite as compensation.
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