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PostSubject: Ghostkeels - How do I kill thee?   Fri May 04 2018, 09:23

A friend of mine loves his ghostkeel - I hate it.

Combined with some stealth suits, it makes a gunline that's hard to hit and harder to charge. How do you deal with it? He typically runs it around and lets it sit on objectives, so I can't really ignore it. Whenever I charge it, I either die to overwatch or do so little damage that he just jumps back a few inches and hits me again with his twin flamers.

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PostSubject: Re: Ghostkeels - How do I kill thee?   Fri May 04 2018, 10:06

May I have a moment to talk to you about your lord and savior Prophets of Flesh Haemonculus with a Vexator mask that exists for the very kind of shooty targets that really need to be removed and you just can't be bothered with that overwatch?

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PostSubject: Re: Ghostkeels - How do I kill thee?   Fri May 04 2018, 10:08

@Siticus the Ancient wrote:
May I have a moment to talk to you about your lord and savior Prophets of Flesh Haemonculus with a Vexator mask that exists for the very kind of shooty targets that really need to be removed and you just can't be bothered with that overwatch?

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PostSubject: Re: Ghostkeels - How do I kill thee?   Fri May 04 2018, 10:54

@Siticus the Ancient wrote:
May I have a moment to talk to you about your lord and savior Prophets of Flesh Haemonculus with a Vexator mask that exists for the very kind of shooty targets that really need to be removed and you just can't be bothered with that overwatch?

What about if one hasn't converted to the way of the Coven?
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PostSubject: Re: Ghostkeels - How do I kill thee?   Fri May 04 2018, 10:58

What kind of army are you; mostly Kabal, Cult or Coven? Each have different ways of dealing with entrenched flamer-carrying models.
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PostSubject: Re: Ghostkeels - How do I kill thee?   Fri May 04 2018, 10:58

Maybe charge in with the raider first or fly by attack him?
Remember that you have to be in his strike distance with the flamers BEFORE you move your models. So if you charge from 10 inches away and his flamers got 9 inches range, he can´t use them for overwatch!
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PostSubject: Re: Ghostkeels - How do I kill thee?   Fri May 04 2018, 11:08

I run mostly a Kabal list with 12 reavers for good measure.

The problem with 10 inches is the chance to actually land the charge - If I fail then I'm just comfortably sitting in front of his gunline, and most specifically - Two tasty flamers.
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PostSubject: Re: Ghostkeels - How do I kill thee?   Fri May 04 2018, 11:09

@closecraig wrote:
I run mostly a Kabal list with 12 reavers for good measure.

The problem with 10 inches is the chance to actually land the charge - If I fail then I'm just comfortably sitting in front of his gunline, and most specifically - Two tasty flamers.

That´s what the CP re-roll is for.

I´m not claiming a perfect solution, that´s just everything I can think off. Don´t some units of us, have boni for the charge distance roll?
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PostSubject: Re: Ghostkeels - How do I kill thee?   Fri May 04 2018, 11:41

@CptMetal wrote:
@closecraig wrote:
I run mostly a Kabal list with 12 reavers for good measure.

The problem with 10 inches is the chance to actually land the charge - If I fail then I'm just comfortably sitting in front of his gunline, and most specifically - Two tasty flamers.

That´s what the CP re-roll is for.

I´m not claiming a perfect solution, that´s just everything I can think off. Don´t some units of us, have boni for the charge distance roll?

10 inches, even with a reroll is like you said, not ideal. I've been tempted to charge with a ravager, the T6 means that any fire warriors or stealth suits nearby would need 6's and then 5's on overwatch. (Rather than 6's and then 4's for a raider - Which I don't really take)
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PostSubject: Re: Ghostkeels - How do I kill thee?   Fri May 04 2018, 13:52

Hit his gunline on the flanks with disintegrator Ravagers, and charge the centre with wyches.
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PostSubject: Re: Ghostkeels - How do I kill thee?   Fri May 04 2018, 16:10

Ghostkeels are only scary if he's dumped a lot of points into them. If he has? Knock off the drones with cheap poison fire and then hit the Ghostkeel itself with your Dissies and Blasters. If he hasn't? Ignore it for a turn or 2 and kill the stuff that is scary.

Flayed Skull or Poisoned Tongue rerolls of 1 (or Archon) to hit/wound with 2 Venoms should be enough to kill drones. 24 poison shots, hitting on 3s, rerolling 1s, does 2.33 wounds against a Stealth Drone including the -2 to hit, which goes down to a -1 to hit after you kill the first one. Ghostkeels should be pretty easy for us to kill after the drones are gone.

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PostSubject: Re: Ghostkeels - How do I kill thee?   Fri May 04 2018, 16:16

Unless I'm mistaken, the Stealth Drones can be targeted separately, and they're only T4 with 1 wound. So Splinter fire should kill them without much issue.

After that, the Ghostkeel only gives you a -1 to hit. And that's basically its only defence. It's T6 with 10 wounds and a 3+ save (about the same as an IG Chimera). Blasters and Dark Lances wound it on 3s and remove its save completely, Disintegrators bring its save down to 6+ and do 2 wounds apiece. Even regular splinter rifles aren't too bad against it.

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PostSubject: Re: Ghostkeels - How do I kill thee?   Sun May 06 2018, 00:08

As others have said, target the drones first then target the Keel. Also, the Keels -1 to hit only works at shooting outside a certain distance (6" ?), whereas Stealthsuits get -1 to hit in CC also.

Charge in with the transport first.
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PostSubject: Re: Ghostkeels - How do I kill thee?   Thu May 10 2018, 12:07

Ghostkeels can fly. I think there is a flayed skull strat that gives a unit +1 to hit? once the drones are dead hit it with a flayed skull ravager. might do the trick
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PostSubject: Re: Ghostkeels - How do I kill thee?   Thu May 10 2018, 14:29

Hah. My Friend runs a B'orkan Y'Vhara. 14" flamer, when overcharged is S6, damage 3 flat.

That being said, it's not -1 to hit so a liberal application of dark lance is usually enough to take it down. As others have stated.

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PostSubject: Re: Ghostkeels - How do I kill thee?   Sun May 13 2018, 00:52

Also worth noting on Stealth Suits: Those suckers are Infantry keyword, despite being big bulky dudes with fly. That means Wyches F them up but good. You need to make sure you're charging Raiders and Venoms in first to soak the overwatch up, but after you do, Wyches are amazing against common tau units.
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