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PostSubject: 2000 pts-Competitive   2000 pts-Competitive I_icon_minitimeWed Apr 18 2018, 10:13

Hey guys,

I am planning a Drukhari list for ETC, so my list must be pure cheese. No detachments shall be copied in ETC format, so only i can take only 1 battalion, and rule of 3 will surely be in effect.

The list in my mind is as follows:

Battalion Detachment - Kabal of the Flayed Skull
Archon, Blast Pistol, Huskblade, PGL - 89 pts
Archon, Blast Pistol, Huskblade, PGL - 89 pts
Kabalite Warriors x10, Sybarite, Blaster x2 - 94pts
Kabalite Warriors x10, Sybarite, Blaster x2 - 94pts
Kabalite Warriors x10, Sybarite, Blaster x2 - 94pts
Kabalite Warriors x10, Sybarite, Blaster x2 - 94pts
Kabalite Warriors x10, Sybarite, Blaster x2 - 94pts
Kabalite Warriors x10, Sybarite, Blaster x2 - 94pts
Raider, Disintegrator Cannon - 80 pts
Raider, Disintegrator Cannon - 80 pts
Raider, Disintegrator Cannon - 80 pts
Raider, Disintegrator Cannon - 80 pts
Raider, Disintegrator Cannon - 80 pts
Raider, Disintegrator Cannon - 80 pts

Spearhead Detachment - Kabal of the Black Heart
Archon, Warlord, Blast Pistol, Huskblade, PGL - 89 pts
Kabalite Warriors x5, Sybarite, Blaster - 47pts
Kabalite Warriors x5, Sybarite, Blaster - 47pts
Ravager, Dark Lance x3 - 140 pts
Ravager, Dark Lance x3 - 140 pts
Ravager, Dark Lance x3 - 140 pts
Raider, Dark Lance - 85 pts
Raider, Dark Lance - 85 pts

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PostSubject: Re: 2000 pts-Competitive   2000 pts-Competitive I_icon_minitimeWed Apr 18 2018, 10:56

Maybe it is reasonable to move some of Flayed scull radiers into BH detachments so they get FNP?

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PostSubject: Re: 2000 pts-Competitive   2000 pts-Competitive I_icon_minitimeWed Apr 18 2018, 12:40

I still can't decide if black heart or flayed skull is better for transports. Anyone made a definite decision that would share their logic?

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PostSubject: Re: 2000 pts-Competitive   2000 pts-Competitive I_icon_minitimeWed Apr 18 2018, 14:41

According to the Bigfaq, in order to ignore cover, the flayed skull kabalites must ride on flayed soul raiders.

I am thinking about removing the blast pistols from the archons as they have such a short range and they can not be used with PGL, this gives me a further 30 points, i can take 3 splinter cannons or 3 splinter racks or i can change 6 of the dissy raiders to dark lance raiders.
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PostSubject: Re: 2000 pts-Competitive   2000 pts-Competitive I_icon_minitimeThu Apr 19 2018, 10:10

I would give your archons blasters instead of pistols.
I would also consider playing a poisoned tounge battalion with all black heart raiders.

Looks like this:

Poison tounge battalion
2 archon blaster/huskblade
5x10 Kabalite warriors 2 blasters
1x5 Kabalite warriors 1 blaster

Black heart spearhead
Archon splinter pistol/venom blade WL, relic etc
3x Dissie v ravagers
2x RWJF
6x raiders

That leaves you with 100p for upgrades on lances/racks/ splinter cannons.
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PostSubject: Re: 2000 pts-Competitive   2000 pts-Competitive I_icon_minitimeSat Apr 21 2018, 19:30

@Lyceus ETC format does not allow index choices so no blasters for archons.
I also decided to make all units Black Heart as 6+++ fnp serma to be a more solid option.
Today i played two practice games versus Custodes jetbikes and Mechanicus Robots

I conceded against jetbikes because of my poor deployment. I put my units at the back of my table edge and wwnt first but could nıt harm the jetbikes in a meaningful way. My friends’ awrsome 4++ invul rolls sealed the doom for me.

My second game was versus 8 robots and Belisarius with space marine allies. I deployed out of his shooting range and forced to move forward, used -1 hit stratgem and none of my vehicles were killed despite one of his 2 robot units shot twice. I also deepstriked with all my ravagers and 2 raiders. I managed to kill 2 of his 4 robot unit and tied the other 2 robot unit into combat with one my kabalites. I also destoyed the kataphron destroyers. His 2 remaining robots were out of Los as he made them unable to shoot again to fire twice previous turn. My friend then conceded.

I am planing to change the list as i found the range of blasters a bit short for my liking. Against jetbike list you try to stay at least 26,5” away fron the bikes because of hurricane bolters’ rapid fire ramge and out of charge distance. I will put dark lances to my 10 öen units and maybe use 2 RWJF. I will also use dissies in ravagers and DLs in raiders. What is your opinion?
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PostSubject: Re: 2000 pts-Competitive   2000 pts-Competitive I_icon_minitimeSun Apr 22 2018, 13:47

Latest version in my mind:


++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Aeldari - Drukhari) [98 PL, 1998pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Detachment Attribute: Kabal of the Black Heart

+ HQ +

Archon [4 PL, 79pts]: Huskblade, Phantasm Grenade Launcher, Splinter pistol

Archon [4 PL, 76pts]: Huskblade, Splinter pistol

+ Troops +

Kabalite Warriors [4 PL, 114pts]
. 6x Kabalite Warrior
. Kabalite warrior with Heavy Weapon: Dark Lance
. Kabalite Warrior with special weapon: Blaster
. Kabalite Warrior with special weapon: Blaster
. Sybarite: Splinter Rifle

Kabalite Warriors [4 PL, 114pts]
. 6x Kabalite Warrior
. Kabalite warrior with Heavy Weapon: Dark Lance
. Kabalite Warrior with special weapon: Blaster
. Kabalite Warrior with special weapon: Blaster
. Sybarite: Splinter Rifle

Kabalite Warriors [4 PL, 114pts]
. 6x Kabalite Warrior
. Kabalite warrior with Heavy Weapon: Dark Lance
. Kabalite Warrior with special weapon: Blaster
. Kabalite Warrior with special weapon: Blaster
. Sybarite: Splinter Rifle

Kabalite Warriors [4 PL, 114pts]
. 6x Kabalite Warrior
. Kabalite warrior with Heavy Weapon: Dark Lance
. Kabalite Warrior with special weapon: Blaster
. Kabalite Warrior with special weapon: Blaster
. Sybarite: Splinter Rifle

Kabalite Warriors [4 PL, 114pts]
. 6x Kabalite Warrior
. Kabalite warrior with Heavy Weapon: Dark Lance
. Kabalite Warrior with special weapon: Blaster
. Kabalite Warrior with special weapon: Blaster
. Sybarite: Splinter Rifle

Kabalite Warriors [4 PL, 114pts]
. 6x Kabalite Warrior
. Kabalite warrior with Heavy Weapon: Dark Lance
. Kabalite Warrior with special weapon: Blaster
. Kabalite Warrior with special weapon: Blaster
. Sybarite: Splinter Rifle

+ Elites +

Lhamean [1 PL, 15pts]

+ Fast Attack +

Scourges [5 PL, 92pts]
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Haywire blaster
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Haywire blaster
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Haywire blaster
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Haywire blaster
. Solarite: Shardcarbine

Scourges [5 PL, 92pts]
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Haywire blaster
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Haywire blaster
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Haywire blaster
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Haywire blaster
. Solarite: Shardcarbine

+ Heavy Support +

Ravager [7 PL, 125pts]: Disintegrator cannon, Disintegrator cannon, Disintegrator cannon

Ravager [7 PL, 125pts]: Disintegrator cannon, Disintegrator cannon, Disintegrator cannon

Ravager [7 PL, 125pts]: Disintegrator cannon, Disintegrator cannon, Disintegrator cannon

+ Dedicated Transport +

Raider [5 PL, 85pts]: Dark Lance

Raider [5 PL, 85pts]: Dark Lance

Raider [5 PL, 85pts]: Dark Lance

Raider [5 PL, 85pts]: Dark Lance

Raider [5 PL, 85pts]: Dark Lance

Raider [5 PL, 85pts]: Dark Lance

Venom [4 PL, 75pts]: Splinter Cannon, Splinter Cannon

++ Total: [98 PL, 1998pts] ++

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PostSubject: Re: 2000 pts-Competitive   2000 pts-Competitive I_icon_minitimeSun Apr 22 2018, 15:22

I've been looking at these lists and one problem I can see is that people arent making lists for anti horde clearing. I think people are still in index mode and these blaster lists aren't really worth it anymore. Especially after the rerolls to hit and wounds with kotbh.
Our nr 1 counter was horde lists in the index version and with the new shredder it actually makes it much easier to deal with hordes
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PostSubject: Re: 2000 pts-Competitive   2000 pts-Competitive I_icon_minitimeSun Apr 22 2018, 17:38

Have you considered obsisian rose to help with the range problem? 24" blasters should solve the problem with jetbikes if you don't want to include a meat shield of covens.
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PostSubject: Re: 2000 pts-Competitive   2000 pts-Competitive I_icon_minitimeSun Apr 22 2018, 20:00

@Lyceus I find the archon tax for another detachment expensive, but i may go for it for the extra cp.
I find the Kabal of the black heart obsession the best one for raiders and ravagers as they have the best relic and best warlord trait. And also the infantry units are fearless at turn 3, and one of them at turn 2 with strategem. This can help them to lock shooty units in combat as they will probably suffer heavy casualities but the survivors will still lock the enemy units.

@teriba1 For the horde problem i am trusting my splinter rifles (42 of them in army), dissies, 9 of them and haywire blasters (i find haywire blasters very good at vehicle wounding and they are not too shabby for hordes as they are ap-1 str4). Also this army can charge geq units at turn 2 and with 11 2+ hit, 1s reroll for each unit, can reliably finish off surviving chaff models. Even raiders would deal a few wounds in combat with blade vane attacks. The pox walker apocalypse and tide of traitor cultists are nerfed by the GW, but we will probably see alpha legion cultist spam, conscript spam, maybe chaos daemon blodletter, plaguebearer and horror spam and definetly ork spam, but as ETC is a team game, luckily my army does not need to counter every imaginable threat from our opponents.
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PostSubject: Re: 2000 pts-Competitive   2000 pts-Competitive I_icon_minitimeTue Apr 24 2018, 08:25

I played ETC mission 6 with the above list against a local guard player.
His list was a brigade, battalion and spearhead for 21 cp!Smile
Spearhead:
Pask with Punisher
3 x Leman Russ BattleTanks with hb sponsons

Brigade
Company commanders, commisars, 2 psykers, 3 scout sentinels
3 x mortar squadrons
6 x inf guard with autocannon and lascannon teams

Battalion:
Tempestus commanders
3 Tempestus troops
1 tempestus elites

I left the dissy ravagers and 1 raider with troops and hb scourages in deepstrike, I take the first turn and were not seized on... Turn 1 i only brought the dissy ravagers. Bigger chunk of my army was at my center point while his 3 of his leman russes were in front of my weak flank where i put 2 raiders and 1 dissy ravager. I managed to take out 2 scout sentinels and 1 leman russ at the center of the table. . I fire and faded my right wing dissy ravager out of los and my two other raiders at my right flank were in cover. As his three leman russes had been left far away from th center of the action, i managed to eat his army in managable parts while scoring most of the objectives. I lost 2 of my raiders and 1 of my raiders in the whole game as 5++ invul and 6+++ fnp helped a lot.
My opponent spent more than 21 cps as he was regerantaing his and mine cps i managed to regain only 1 cp. I spent 4 of my cps for deepstrike and 1 for dispel relic which i could not use whole game. I felt the lack of cp as i could only impose one -1 to hit penalty and one fire and fade strategem.

I feel that i need at least 1 more cp, and extra relic thing is a trap as our strategems are very good. The stars of the match were definetly dissy ravagers, they killed two leman russ tanks with a little help from blasters and lances, they sniped 3 characters and also the warlord. They charged into combat to soak overwatch and even kill one or two objective secured trrops to take objectives.
Kabal's obsession of fnp 6+++ were golden and as my troops became fearless at turn three, that was when the real pain began. My kabalites shoot most effectively with the full buff of my warlords reroll hit and wound buff and charged and finished of the surviving troops.
Scourages with haywire blasters, gave the last mortal wounds to tanks or cleared enemy troops by shooting with a profile of str4 ap-1 and i also throw plasma grenade for added damage. If i had enough cp, i could also deal mw with plasma grenade strategem.


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PostSubject: Re: 2000 pts-Competitive   2000 pts-Competitive I_icon_minitimeTue Apr 24 2018, 13:10

In order to gain 1 more cp, i am thinking about the following list:

Battalion-5 cp-Black Heart
Archon-Agoniser
Archon-Huskblade
5 x Kabalites x10 (2xBlaster,1 Dark Lance)
1 x Kabalitesx5 (1 Blaster)
3 x Scourages (4x Haywire Blaster)
6 x Raider (Dark Lance)

Spear Head-1 cp-Black Heart
Archon - Venomblade (Warlord)
3 x Dissy Ravager

Archons embarked the same raider with the 5 man kabalite unit. Probably deepstrike 3 ravagers and 1 full man squad raider for 4 command points, this will leave me at 5 cp at the start of the battle. It is not much, but saving the cps for the most important strategems can be adequate.

If my opponent would have some important strategem , i can opt to deploy the army normally for cp saving...
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