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Muffi88
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PostSubject: Lord of War Question   Thu Apr 05 2018, 14:35

hi, I'm pretty new to warhammer 40k in general, I only started out recently with the dark imperium box to basically try out the game and decided to join the ranks of the Dark Eldar.

I would like to field a big unit, are Dark Eldar able to use for example a Wraith Knight without losing all of their faction bonuses?

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PostSubject: Re: Lord of War Question   Thu Apr 05 2018, 14:41

You can just field a Wraithknight as a super-heavy auxiliary detachment, costs no CP, doesn't impact battle-forged.
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PostSubject: Re: Lord of War Question   Thu Apr 05 2018, 14:58

That's how I run my Phantom and revenants if I use them.
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PostSubject: Re: Lord of War Question   Thu Apr 05 2018, 15:21

oh cool, I also heard the wraith knight is not super good so I can field him on 1500 points without being cheesy right?
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PostSubject: Re: Lord of War Question   Thu Apr 05 2018, 15:32

@Muffi88 wrote:
oh cool, I also heard the wraith knight is not super good so I can field him on 1500 points without being cheesy right?

It has a very expensive pts cost to be interesting. So yeah, not too cheesy.
The Glaive + Scattershield version is the most interesting one in terms of effectiveness imho.
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PostSubject: Re: Lord of War Question   Thu Apr 05 2018, 16:09

@Alezya wrote:
@Muffi88 wrote:
oh cool, I also heard the wraith knight is not super good so I can field him on 1500 points without being cheesy right?

It has a very expensive pts cost to be interesting. So yeah, not too cheesy.
The Glaive + Scattershield version is the most interesting one in terms of effectiveness imho.

The secondary weapons of the knight seem more than lacking tho and 12M doesn't seem to support a melee playstyle with such a huge model. If the invulsave would be 4+ then I'd say scattershield is worth it but 5+ seems like a waste.
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PostSubject: Re: Lord of War Question   Thu Apr 05 2018, 17:08

Yes, if you are running an Aeldari Army.
As long as every Detachment (and therefore unit) shares the Aeldari keyowrd, you can do it.
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PostSubject: Re: Lord of War Question   Thu Apr 05 2018, 19:02

Cool, I'm thinking about it but probably will just stick to Dark Eldar flyers. Do you guys think ppl would be ok if I said my Razorwings counted as Voidravens? The model is like 2 times the price for the same pointcost ._.
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PostSubject: Re: Lord of War Question   Thu Apr 05 2018, 19:10

Depends on your group I suppose, but I do think the bomber is significantly bigger than the fighter. Don't actually own a bomber so I can't confirm that, but I think that's the case. Plus the bomber is such a nice model, it would be nice to get it.

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PostSubject: Re: Lord of War Question   Thu Apr 05 2018, 19:20

It certainly is larger than the razorwing. I just built a bomber.
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PostSubject: Re: Lord of War Question   Thu Apr 05 2018, 19:45

I prefer Razorwings. The one missile that they both have but the Razor can do it for much cheaper is the Shatterfield. It's actually very good. Not to mention Necrotoxin got 3d3 shots now.

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PostSubject: Re: Lord of War Question   Thu Apr 05 2018, 20:14

Bomber is significantly larger. I have 2 Razors and 1 Bomber just for variety.
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PostSubject: Re: Lord of War Question   Thu Apr 05 2018, 21:51

The necrotoxin is missing DS for me, doesn't sound very good in my coverheavy meta, the worst we usually have here is a 4+ save
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PostSubject: Re: Lord of War Question   Thu Apr 05 2018, 22:58

Take your Razorwing with the obsession that let's you ignore cover bonuses ... That should fix some of the problems after this Saturday ... I think it's the Obsidian Rose obsession ...
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PostSubject: Re: Lord of War Question   Fri Apr 06 2018, 00:56

@Archon_91 wrote:
Take your Razorwing with the obsession that let's you ignore cover bonuses ... That should fix some of the problems after this Saturday ... I think it's the Obsidian Rose obsession ...

This saturday? I thought DE relase was next week and this week is just preorder?
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PostSubject: Re: Lord of War Question   Fri Apr 06 2018, 01:07

Items are set to begin shipping on the 7th of April
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PostSubject: Re: Lord of War Question   Fri Apr 06 2018, 04:17

@Muffi88 wrote:
@Archon_91 wrote:
Take your Razorwing with the obsession that let's you ignore cover bonuses ... That should fix some of the problems after this Saturday ... I think it's the Obsidian Rose obsession ...

This saturday? I thought DE relase was next week and this week is just preorder?

Nah man just one more day to get through and the codex is out!

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PostSubject: Re: Lord of War Question   Fri Apr 06 2018, 07:42

@Muffi88 wrote:


The secondary weapons of the knight seem more than lacking tho and 12M doesn't seem to support a melee playstyle with such a huge model. If the invulsave would be 4+ then I'd say scattershield is worth it but 5+ seems like a waste.

With the other version you don't even have an invul lol.
Plus you have 12" + d6 (advance) & 7" of Fire & Fade T1 to bring him to CC T2. Except vs vehicle heavy lists, or shadowsword, he should be able to make it into CC, don't worry: If you are playing a Super Heavy Aux. Detachment, you give him the Ulthwé CW trait for a 6+++ (3+/5++/6+++)

Secondary weapons are Assault, so you will just have -1 to hit.

@Muffi88 wrote:
Cool, I'm thinking about it but probably will just stick to Dark Eldar flyers. Do you guys think ppl would be ok if I said my Razorwings counted as Voidravens? The model is like 2 times the price for the same pointcost ._.

For testing before buying it, I don't see the problem honestly.
In tourney, it is different.
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PostSubject: Re: Lord of War Question   Fri Apr 06 2018, 13:54

It´s a shame, that adding a wraith Knight still enables you to use Drukhari and CWE strategems..
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