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PostSubject: representing obsessions, while still having a cohesive force scheme?    Thu Apr 05 2018, 11:29

With the Kabal/Cult/Coven obsessions, we are going to have to represent this on the board with paint schemes or some other obvious marker, if we are planing on using multiple detachments.

If you don't want to use the actual colours of each and you still want a cohesive ish looking force. how would you do it? Reversed colour palate?

My main concern is that in 3-5 years the rules will change again, the obsessions will be gone and you'll end up with a bunch of differently painted models that signify exactly nothing.

Thoughts?
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PostSubject: Re: representing obsessions, while still having a cohesive force scheme?    Thu Apr 05 2018, 12:08

For me DE was always somting like band of individuals, not like other armies. We do not have sergants and generals, our banners are made from human skin Very Happy That's say something about our organisation (or disorganisation). I miss ability thats let Dracon attempt to murder Archont Warlord on last wound to become warlord (something like skavens already have). Personally i have no problem witch other painting schemes in my army.
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PostSubject: Re: representing obsessions, while still having a cohesive force scheme?    Thu Apr 05 2018, 12:26

Perhaps paint a squad leader in each unit in a different way? It could be the helmet, the flayed skin around the waist, the knee pads...it needn't be strikingly obvious but I do admit that you might be well served by having some variety of sorts to tell the difference.
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PostSubject: Re: representing obsessions, while still having a cohesive force scheme?    Thu Apr 05 2018, 12:33

I'm holding off on painting till I have the codex in hand, but I've thinking the same thing.

I've tried looking at Harlequin paint schemes; according to background, each Masque consists of three troupes. The GW painting guide for them shows some great examples.
Obviously, it's the principle you need to look at here, no need to go all-out colourful on your Dark Kin.
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PostSubject: Re: representing obsessions, while still having a cohesive force scheme?    Thu Apr 05 2018, 12:35

As I really cannot be bothered to repaint any models I suspect I might end up painting the rims of their bases in different colours. Fairly simple and easily changed if needed!

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PostSubject: Re: representing obsessions, while still having a cohesive force scheme?    Thu Apr 05 2018, 12:38

I've painted far less than I would have liked. On the plus side, repainting them - either in a different colour scheme or the same but with better skills than I had back then - won't be as much work.
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PostSubject: Re: representing obsessions, while still having a cohesive force scheme?    Thu Apr 05 2018, 13:13

I paint the rim of the bases to color code units. Black for BH, green for PT, bone for FS, red for OR. So on so forth.
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PostSubject: Re: representing obsessions, while still having a cohesive force scheme?    Thu Apr 05 2018, 13:36

I'm going to divide mi army in 3 colors, 1 green kabal/cult/coven , 1 red kabal/cult/coven and one black kabal/cult/coven.
I hate have to do this, the infantry is not a problem, but I just have 6 raiders and 11 venoms, and just 2 raiders and 3 venoms per color is not enough.

This is the reason why i don't like the structure of the new codex, i'm forced to do this because if i go to a tournament the TO will demand me that my opponent can distingish easy each subfaccion (which is logical)
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PostSubject: Re: representing obsessions, while still having a cohesive force scheme?    Thu Apr 05 2018, 14:03

I'm not repainting anything but do have a ton of the flags/standard type things that I didn't use. I'm going to just paint some of those up different colours and switch them between the units and vehicles to identify the different factions.
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PostSubject: Re: representing obsessions, while still having a cohesive force scheme?    Thu Apr 05 2018, 14:06

@Rodi Sikni wrote:
I'm going to divide mi army in 3 colors, 1 green kabal/cult/coven , 1 red kabal/cult/coven and one black kabal/cult/coven.
I hate have to do this, the infantry is not a problem, but I just have 6 raiders and 11 venoms,  and just 2 raiders and 3 venoms per color is not enough.

This is the reason why i don't like the structure of the new codex, i'm forced to do this because if i go to a tournament the TO will demand me that my opponent can distingish  easy each subfaccion (which is logical)

This sounds more like what you want to do rather than what you have to do...there is absolutely no reason why you can't use coloured markers to show different factions.

My army is purple and is going to stay purple...I am not re-painting them to fit the fluff of the named Kabals. There are very simple ways to show one unit is different to another.
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PostSubject: Re: representing obsessions, while still having a cohesive force scheme?    Thu Apr 05 2018, 14:06

im in the process of magnetizing my raiders and i think what i will be doing is painting up and adding magnets to both sets of sails, and then using the sail to show which kabal/cult they are affiliated to.

unit wise for kabalites i use the flag backpack so i might magnetize that on future models and maybe buy some extras from a bits site.
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PostSubject: Re: representing obsessions, while still having a cohesive force scheme?    Thu Apr 05 2018, 14:28

@Count Adhemar wrote:
As I really cannot be bothered to repaint any models I suspect I might end up painting the rims of their bases in different colours. Fairly simple and easily changed if needed!

Will be starting a new DE army (other than that the one I already have), so I am asking myself the same question. I think I would do that as well.
Or maybe it would be nice to try different colour scheme on different units/detachments in term of variety. Do something like mixed chaos army.
Conversions to make units look differently (with different styles) but with same colour scheme for unity.

Dunno.
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PostSubject: Re: representing obsessions, while still having a cohesive force scheme?    Thu Apr 05 2018, 14:43

I've just realised that my redundant Trueborn could be pressed into service if I just want to run a patrol of a different Kabal as they are very distinct from my normal Kabalites. Got enough spares to knock up a few more of them too if need be.

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PostSubject: Re: representing obsessions, while still having a cohesive force scheme?    Thu Apr 05 2018, 17:08

I'm mostly thinking of having all vehicles be from a single Kabal to minimize tracking which is which on the battlefield. I think that would be easier for me and my opponent.

I'm sure I'll miss out on some shenanigans, but it looks decent enough to have just a single obsession for each group.

And I think the differences between Kabal, Wych, and Coven infantry should be sufficient for keeping tabs on which is which.
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PostSubject: Re: representing obsessions, while still having a cohesive force scheme?    Thu Apr 05 2018, 20:33

I’m currently doing a repaint of the army, but I’ll keep some of the army in the old scheme.

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PostSubject: Re: representing obsessions, while still having a cohesive force scheme?    Fri Apr 06 2018, 02:48

Just use the flags that come with every unit (on the sybarite) and vehicles (longer and sort of flat looking).
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PostSubject: Re: representing obsessions, while still having a cohesive force scheme?    Fri Apr 06 2018, 03:30

Using the Kabalites' sashimono to note what obsession the squads have is clever. I think I'll drill a hole in the bases so I can put one down next to the sybarite, since mine are rocking cloaks. Plus that way I don't need to buy an engagement ring for my Obsession.
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PostSubject: Re: representing obsessions, while still having a cohesive force scheme?    Fri Apr 06 2018, 05:18

So I did a quick proof of concept mockup just to make sure it works: If you attach the sybarite sashimono to one of the spears from the Raider kit you can drill a paperclip into the base of the spear, then drill a similar hole into some random bit or bob you put on a sybarite's base and dry-pin the flag into it.
Just like that, you have a flag to mark your squad's Obsession, and you can remove and replace it with another flag without any fuss. And even if you don't keep the flag around, has any base ever been made worse by having a skull with a hole in the eye-socket laying around on it?
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PostSubject: Re: representing obsessions, while still having a cohesive force scheme?    Fri Apr 06 2018, 11:05

@Count Adhemar wrote:
I've just realised that my redundant Trueborn could be pressed into service if I just want to run a patrol of a different Kabal as they are very distinct from my normal Kabalites. Got enough spares to knock up a few more of them too if need be.

For my Kabalites, this is what I'm going to do as well. I have a whole heap of trueborn in dark elf sea raider cloaks. Should be very easy to say these are a different Kabal, even if the paint schemes are similar
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PostSubject: Re: representing obsessions, while still having a cohesive force scheme?    Fri Apr 06 2018, 11:31

How about......flags.

Banner bearers in each unit, showing clearly which obsession the unit is using.
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PostSubject: Re: representing obsessions, while still having a cohesive force scheme?    Fri Apr 06 2018, 13:33

I already have mine painted up in three completely different themes. But for someone looking to color code their squads without losing army coherency, one thing you can do is paint one small detail in a contrasting color. For instance one of the arm greaves or one of the knee pads for warriors and wyches etc. Same general idea for monsters and boats.
Backpack flags ( or sashimono if you are a samurai ), also seems like a good idea.
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PostSubject: Re: representing obsessions, while still having a cohesive force scheme?    Fri Apr 06 2018, 13:39

I think I'm just going to stay with one obsession each. I'm just not sold on which kabal.
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PostSubject: Re: representing obsessions, while still having a cohesive force scheme?    Fri Apr 06 2018, 13:46

Um I dont really see the need for any markings or, god forbid, different paint schemes (from the point of work involved, not the aesthetics) at all. I’ll guess I’ll simply remember what is what?

I mean how many units with differents obsessions are realistically going to be on the board? The only time it’s relevant is for Kabalites in a transport as patrol tax, because I'd say you rarely want two different covens or cults. So thats two units to keep apart from the rest, shouldn’t be too hard to keep track of for me or my opponents hopefully.

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PostSubject: Re: representing obsessions, while still having a cohesive force scheme?    Fri Apr 06 2018, 13:57

@BlackCadian wrote:
Um I dont really see the need for any markings or, god forbid, different paint schemes (from the point of work involved, not the aesthetics) at all. I’ll guess I’ll simply remember what is what?

I mean how many units with differents obsessions are realistically going to be on the board? The only time it’s relevant is for Kabalites in a transport as patrol tax, because I'd say you rarely want two different covens or cults. So thats two units to keep apart from the rest, shouldn’t be too hard to keep track of for me or my opponents hopefully.

Only really a problem for people playing in tournaments where there is a requirement to have chapter tactics visually separated. For casual play it is more of a courtesy to your opponent. A simple colored token might be enough.

I'll probably also be running two kabals, but only one cult and coven.
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