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kicu
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PostSubject: SUPREME CHEESE DETACHMENT   Sun Apr 01 2018, 15:25

Hey.
Let's say you take alongside your army a Supreme Command Propfhets of Flesh. Then, you spend 5CP, to give all of these PoF warlord trait. Which gives you 5d3(5-15, avg 7,5)CP

Is this legal?
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PostSubject: Re: SUPREME CHEESE DETACHMENT   Sun Apr 01 2018, 15:28

You need an archon and a succubus for each of these heamonculus to do that so i think its terrible
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PostSubject: Re: SUPREME CHEESE DETACHMENT   Sun Apr 01 2018, 15:34

How are you giving your HQs Warlord Traits? I don’t think you’d be able to do that at all with Alliance of Agony because you’d pick on Archon to be your warlord, give the haemonculus a warlord trait, and that’s it.

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Upon reading the rule again, if you’re able to use Alliance of Agony multiple times, I think you could do this. If you’re using that many Haemonculi you also might as well go for 6 Patrol Detatchments for +8 CPs.

RAW, could you also pick the same Haemonculus or Succubus to have an additional Warlord Trait again and again, leading to a model with 3 different Warlord Traits? This seems kinda silly.


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PostSubject: Re: SUPREME CHEESE DETACHMENT   Sun Apr 01 2018, 15:38

Actually RAW, I think that strategy IS legal! The stratagem says “UP TO one Succubus/haemy “, and it’s used before battle so it should be spammable. There’s also nothing that indicates you need additional archons for each use.

Folks who disagree: please explain?
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PostSubject: Re: SUPREME CHEESE DETACHMENT   Sun Apr 01 2018, 15:42

Well my english is not very good but for me "up to" mean "between 0 and 1 of each"
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PostSubject: Re: SUPREME CHEESE DETACHMENT   Sun Apr 01 2018, 15:45

Well you need a Haemy or a Succubus to be able to use it as far as I understand it
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PostSubject: Re: SUPREME CHEESE DETACHMENT   Sun Apr 01 2018, 15:47

+if you have Black Heart WT, then you can get those CP back on 6 Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: SUPREME CHEESE DETACHMENT   Sun Apr 01 2018, 15:52

I can't imagine this won't be faqed, clearly not the intention of the stratagem to let us spam warlord traits repeatedly.

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PostSubject: Re: SUPREME CHEESE DETACHMENT   Sun Apr 01 2018, 16:43

Yes thats clearly a bad writing abuse
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PostSubject: Re: SUPREME CHEESE DETACHMENT   Sun Apr 01 2018, 20:21

No I think this is completely legit and intentionally enables our relatively mediocre non-descript HQ's to be mildly special snowflakes.
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PostSubject: Re: SUPREME CHEESE DETACHMENT   Sun Apr 01 2018, 20:31

It will get instantly FAQ'd definitely not mean to give our HQ's multiple traits.
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PostSubject: Re: SUPREME CHEESE DETACHMENT   Sun Apr 01 2018, 20:41

Can you explain what you mean?

If you mean that it isn't meant to give individual Hq's multiple warlord traits I don't think anyone in suggesting that.

If you mean that is in't meant to give multiple HQ's warlord traits then we disagree. RAW if your warlord is an archon you can spend 1 cp to give a Haemonculus and/or a Succubus a warlord trait, and it doesn't feel like a reach at all for that to be rai as well.
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PostSubject: Re: SUPREME CHEESE DETACHMENT   Mon Apr 02 2018, 01:36

Yeah it probably won't survive the 2 week faq but may as well play it now if you want
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PostSubject: Re: SUPREME CHEESE DETACHMENT   Mon Apr 02 2018, 01:37

@amorrowlyday wrote:
No I think this is completely legit and intentionally enables our relatively mediocre non-descript HQ's to be mildly special snowflakes.

Our HQ ar no longer mediocre i think but i need to test them to figure it out
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PostSubject: Re: SUPREME CHEESE DETACHMENT   Mon Apr 02 2018, 01:44

@amorrowlyday wrote:
Can you explain what you mean?

If you mean that it isn't meant to give individual Hq's multiple warlord traits I don't think anyone in suggesting that.

If you mean that is in't meant to give multiple HQ's warlord traits then we disagree. RAW if your warlord is an archon you can spend 1 cp to give a Haemonculus and/or a Succubus a warlord trait, and it doesn't feel like a reach at all for that to be rai as well.

Right giving multiple characters warlord traits is clearly the intention of the rule, the problem is as written right now you can just keep taking lots and lots of heamonculuses (heamoncululsi?, and give each of them the exact same warlord trait so that when the battle begins if you take 5 heamonculusi, you're rolling 5d3 extra commands points. There's no way that's the intention of the rule and it will very likely be changed to you can only use the stratagem once per battle.

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PostSubject: Re: SUPREME CHEESE DETACHMENT   Mon Apr 02 2018, 01:45

This synergise far too well with Dark Hearth trait to be allowed anyway.

I mean you spend 5 point gain 5D3+5/6 and then the point you gain can generate more point ? Dont buying it
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PostSubject: Re: SUPREME CHEESE DETACHMENT   Mon Apr 02 2018, 01:51

Yeah utterly ridiculous. As written yeah you can do it now but it won't last, nor should it anyway. Of course you still have to spend the pts on the heamonculuses but if you take say a supreme command of just 3 heamonculuses that probably pays off too well.

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PostSubject: Re: SUPREME CHEESE DETACHMENT   Mon Apr 02 2018, 08:53

I don't see why it would need faq. It is quite clear:

Alliance of Agony:



If your Warlord is an Archon. At the beginning of the battle, we can only have 1 Warlord in an army...
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PostSubject: Re: SUPREME CHEESE DETACHMENT   Mon Apr 02 2018, 10:05

Forgive me, I still think that this is intended but I see no inhabiting factor to not use that multiple times.
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PostSubject: Re: SUPREME CHEESE DETACHMENT   Mon Apr 02 2018, 10:55

@Alezya wrote:
I don't see why it would need faq. It is quite clear:

Alliance of Agony:



If your Warlord is an Archon. At the beginning of the battle, we can only have 1 Warlord in an army...

Well it does not say anywhere that it can only be used once.

Is your warlord an Archon?
U use it first time, spend a CP and give WT to the 1st Haemy
Is your warlord an Archon?
U use it second time, spend a CP and give WT to the 2nd Haemy
Is your warlord an Archon?
U use it third time, spend a CP and give WT to the 3rd Haemy
...

see the pattern?
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PostSubject: Re: SUPREME CHEESE DETACHMENT   Mon Apr 02 2018, 10:58

Yup. This will definately be faq'd.

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PostSubject: Re: SUPREME CHEESE DETACHMENT   Mon Apr 02 2018, 11:50

I see the pattern but I doubt we will be able to use:

-I don't think we are allowed to have the same warlord trait on multiple characters...
-I really doubt GW will leave it as it is. And I don't even think we will have to wait for the 2 weeks FAQs Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: SUPREME CHEESE DETACHMENT   Mon Apr 02 2018, 12:13

And good luck finding a TO willing to accept it. And no one will want to play with you if you try pulling something like that in a friendly game.

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PostSubject: Re: SUPREME CHEESE DETACHMENT   Mon Apr 02 2018, 12:15

I am just theorycrafting (so not gonna use it in friendly games) and this is RAW (so idk why it would be forbidden in tournaments)
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PostSubject: Re: SUPREME CHEESE DETACHMENT   Mon Apr 02 2018, 12:25

No worries!

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