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PostSubject: My "Optimized" 2k List - Drukhari + CWE   My "Optimized" 2k List - Drukhari + CWE I_icon_minitimeMon Mar 26 2018, 03:09

EDIT: Dropped the Dissies and a Blaster to run a CWE Supreme Command Detachment instead of Spearhead..

So I think I've finally found a list that I'm going to stick with for a while. I've been slowly building up my collection to, try, and fit in the most "optimized" units (for what I'm trying to do - namely shooty DE). I've also done some shuffling around w/Detachments to get a decent amount of CP, as opposed to the standard 6CP. This attempts to stay mainly with Drukhari while throwing in some CWE for the extra umph (namely Psykers + [a tiny bit of] Dark Reaper cheese). I've only had a small handful of games with this specific list but it's been stronk so far.

Please let me know if you have any suggestions or questions and thank you for looking!!

Kabal: Vect's Generosity

Battalion Detachment - 3CP

HQ:
- Archon, Blaster, PGL, Agonizer
- Archon, Splinter Pistol, Agonizer

TROOPS:
- Kabalites x5
- Kabalites x5
- Kabalites x5

ELITES:
- Mandrakes x8

HEAVY SUPPORT:
- Dark Reapers + Exarch, 4xRL 1xTL
- Ravager x3DL
- Ravager x3DL
- Ravager x3DL

TRANSPORTS:
- Venom
- Venom
- Venom
- Venom

Air Wing Detachment - 1CP
- Razorwing Jet x2DL
- Razorwing Jet x2DL
- Voidraven, x2DS (no missiles - he is expected to be ded by T2-3)

Supreme Command Detachment - 1CP

**Alaitoc**

- Farseer Skyrunner (Warlord, Fate's Messenger [+1W 6+++]) - Doom + Guide, Blade
- Warlock - Protect/Jinx, Shiftshroud of Allisair (hot damn!), Blade
- Warlock - Conceal/Reveal, Blade


Total Command Points:8
(Battalion, Air Wing & Supreme Command Detach.)


***POSSIBLE CHANGES***
I'm somewhat torn on the Mandrakes versus Scourge. I'm *very* aware some people really hate Scourge (heh), but I've always had pretty good experiences with them. Being able to DS 4 DL's @ full-strength T3 is pretty damn good - or just being able to DS them into great cover/objectives T1 is useful as well. Problem is, Mandrakes are amazing too and I feel they bring something to my list that would otherwise be missing (MWs, chaff clearance, assault capability, etc). I'll play around a bit but being Drukhari I'm addicted to Dark Lances lol - Gotta break the habit!


General Strategy
Nothing too special, for Drukhari at least. Try to deploy with anti-DS in mind, expecting to go T2. Ravagers have priority for LoS blocking, RWJs take up both corners, Voidraven deploys as close as poss to enemy. Be very happy if you get T1. PS - If you're going to lose the +1 for deployment anyways, consider putting the inf on foot and then boarding Venoms once the game starts (again as anti-DS)

Voidraven is VIP T1, going for the largest blob possible - possibly getting First Blood by firing all weapons into the same squad - remember your 20" Advance. After this he's mainly a Distraction Carnifex (an AMAZING one at that!!). Ravagers get good LoS and form a gunline - again be mindful of DSers. Use your Venoms as distractions (-1 hit is spicy) or to get objectives. Razorwings will often put their base directly over Objectives as a dissuasion (and can trade off on an objective each turn). Mandrakes wait until T2+ to come down, preferably T3. Farseer + Warlock are buff vectors for Dark Reapers. Farseer can also cast on the big baddies if that's more useful (put him in range for both!). Remember they're all -1 to hit past 12".. -2 to hit on Warlock!

Basic Drukhari stuff after all that - Target priority goes: Transports > Vehicles/Monsters > HQs > Everything else. If you pop a slow army's transports its usually game over. If they're mostly on foot or assault oriented you should be gtg too, just play the objectives.

REALLY shooty list (ahem, Astra Militarum) need to be closed in with ASAP. Get into Assault with all of your vehicles ASAP and don't let them shoot at you if you can help it. Your fliers will be king, focus all 3 on the biggest threat 100% until it's dead. Good luck heh

Most other lists you will do the opposite and stay just within your own shooting range - kiting them along. You really need to watch out for Deepstrikes though as those can throw of your gameplan (and god knows Vect hates that...). Always focus focus focus when shooting, wiping out whole units - well, until Morale is likely to finish them off.

FUTURE PLANS
Another 5 Dark Reapers, and maybe swap in a Reaper. Tantalus for fun games (both due within the next few weeks yayayay)... Otherwise we'll see what the Codex brings!


Anywho, what do you guys think? What would *you* change?! Thanks again for looking and I hope this gives someone some ideas Smile


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PostSubject: Re: My "Optimized" 2k List - Drukhari + CWE   My "Optimized" 2k List - Drukhari + CWE I_icon_minitimeMon Mar 26 2018, 04:54

Quote :
I'm somewhat torn on the Mandrakes versus Scourge. I'm *very* aware some people really hate Scourge (heh), but I've always had pretty good experiences with them. Being able to DS 4 DL's @ full-strength T3 is pretty damn good - or just being able to DS them into great cover/objectives T1 is useful as well. Problem is, Mandrakes are amazing too and I feel they bring something to my list that would otherwise be missing (MWs, chaff clearance, assault capability, etc). I'll play around a bit but being Drukhari I'm addicted to Dark Lances lol - Gotta break the habit!
You can never have too much Darklight!
But, I'd recommend sticking with the Mandrakes. They are great all round units, from holding objectives, to tarpit, to T3 shredder, etc. I think they have the versatility your list needs, something that Scourges -- blessed may those birds be -- would lack.

One little mistake I'm seeing with your Spearhead though. Mixing the Craftworlds with DE Ravagers will leave you without a trait. I don't see many ways you can get around this without a major redesign though, and really it only affects three units. Just keep in mind that you won't be getting that -1 to hit with your detachments arranged like that.

Otherwise looks good!

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PostSubject: Re: My "Optimized" 2k List - Drukhari + CWE   My "Optimized" 2k List - Drukhari + CWE I_icon_minitimeMon Mar 26 2018, 05:05

Yea,
Wondering about that spearhead too. Is it just an "Aeldari Spearhead Unit." Is it legal to mix them like that in matched play?

I think you have some major firepower and I would definitely say your list is optimized.

One thing you could think about... If you drop the mandrakes and go with scourges. Then you drop the dissies and find some more points(maybe the relic on an Archon) you could get 3 bare bones scourge units. Move the warlock into an outrider with them and get an extra CP. The scourges won't have PFP(right?) but... ehhhh

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PostSubject: Re: My "Optimized" 2k List - Drukhari + CWE   My "Optimized" 2k List - Drukhari + CWE I_icon_minitimeMon Mar 26 2018, 05:16

Dangit, yeah I'm used to pure Drukhari (who don't have Detachment buffs) so my bad on the CWE - Fixed the list to take out the Alaitoc mentions.

As for Feti's question, yes Aeldari can mix together freely! It's one of the great parts of the new army rules (though I dislike Ynarri). Losing the -1 to hit doesn't really hurt too bad, they'll mostly be hiding away.

Althoooough, if I cut out 35pts I can add a Warlock to do a Supreme Command Detachment of pure CWE and then toss the Ravagers + Dark Reapers into the Battalion (I believe), so if I ever decide I need a trait it wouldn't be too hard to do. Gotta love 35pt Psykers lol

Feti, we would still get PfP as well Smile It's built into the unit's rules (not a detachment trait). 3x Scourge is definitely worth consideration (esp. with the extra CP you pointed out!!). I have 15, sadly 6x are DL Sad


Thanks guys, I'm pretty happy with this list for sure!! Can't wait for the Codex to change it all up lol


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PostSubject: Re: My "Optimized" 2k List - Drukhari + CWE   My "Optimized" 2k List - Drukhari + CWE I_icon_minitimeMon Mar 26 2018, 05:18

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Wondering about that spearhead too. Is it just an "Aeldari Spearhead Unit." Is it legal to mix them like that in matched play?

Perfectly legal, you only have to have one Keyword that matches, and Aeldari fits the bill nicely. Though, you can't get Objective Secured or make use of their Craftworld Abilities. Since it's mixed, Craftworld Strategems are off too.

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The scourges won't have PFP(right?) but... ehhhh
Pfp is specific to a unit, not a detachment, so those Scourges will be rockin their 6+++ just fine!

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PostSubject: Re: My "Optimized" 2k List - Drukhari + CWE   My "Optimized" 2k List - Drukhari + CWE I_icon_minitimeMon Mar 26 2018, 05:25

BaconPope,

I can keep the Relic on my Warlock though, right? Also - that's something I'm not sure of.. is it worth putting the "comes back to life after MW" relic on my WL or anything like that?
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PostSubject: Re: My "Optimized" 2k List - Drukhari + CWE   My "Optimized" 2k List - Drukhari + CWE I_icon_minitimeMon Mar 26 2018, 05:40

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I can keep the Relic on my Warlock though, right? Also - that's something I'm not sure of.. is it worth putting the "comes back to life after MW" relic on my WL or anything like that?

Yep! The only requirement for relics is that your warlord has to be the same faction as the bearer. Unfortunately, if you want to double up and grab one for your Farseer, you'll have to have a pure Craftworlds detachment, as that mechanic is done through a Strategem. I'd highly recommend taking another Warlock (or if you can afford one, a Spiritseer) and put them all into a Supreme Command detachment. Have one Warlock hang back and buff your Reapers with Conceal, and the other Warlock/Spiritseer lead the way with either Jinx (Both) or an easy smite (Spiritseer only, since they have a full powered one). Extra command point to pay off the extra relic, access to Strategems, plus that -1 to hit, to discourage snipers.

Unfortunately, if you're putting your Reapers into the Battalion, you should know that'll turn it into a mixed bag of units, so no Webway Striking your DE. (You can still do so with your Craftworlds units though).

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PostSubject: Re: My "Optimized" 2k List - Drukhari + CWE   My "Optimized" 2k List - Drukhari + CWE I_icon_minitimeMon Mar 26 2018, 05:59

Yeah tbh more Psyker shenanigans seems really potent when mixed in with Drukhari firepower, so I think you're right on adding in the 2nd Warlock (no Spiritseer yet, but I'll look into it seeing as how I plan on making Eldar my next army).


I doubt I'd want to spend the CP for the two Relics, I wasn't sure if Shriftshroud was worth keeping on the Warlock or if buffing the Farseer instead was better. Sadly the SS can only go on Inf. so thats only leaves either 'add 2A to his TCs' or 'come back to life if you deal a 3+ MW to units within 3in' as the other options. Tho -2 to hit on my backfield camper could be nice Smile

Oh and glad you mentioned the WWP. Luckily everything has a transport from what I can tell. I'm assuming by running a SCD with the 3 CWE, I'd only be able to user Strategems on them, or would I be able to use those on Dark Reapers as well? (sorry for the noob questions, I've never mixed allies so this part is new to me Razz)


EDIT: I changed up the list, I figured all the strategems, traits and more psyker utility was worth the cost of 2 Dissies and a Blaster. I can use the Aloatic relic now too... hot damn!
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PostSubject: Re: My "Optimized" 2k List - Drukhari + CWE   My "Optimized" 2k List - Drukhari + CWE I_icon_minitimeMon Mar 26 2018, 07:54

Is a mixed airwing detachement possible? By using a hemlock, you get a very mobile psyker,
that hits his targets automatically with a higher strenght, DE usually possess.

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PostSubject: Re: My "Optimized" 2k List - Drukhari + CWE   My "Optimized" 2k List - Drukhari + CWE I_icon_minitimeMon Mar 26 2018, 09:20

@Zenotaph wrote:
Is a mixed airwing detachement possible? By using a hemlock, you get a very mobile psyker,
that hits his targets automatically with a higher strenght, DE usually possess.

Hemlock is definitely a sound unit.

So far I'm liking the Voidraven, that Void Mine is insane - 6.6 MW's on a 10-man blob is nothing to sneeze at (or "just" 3.3 on a 5-man) + the x2 d3 Dd3 DS are just icing on the cake. I'd assume the Hemlock is on a similar boat in that it's good as ded by T2 (3 if lucky) so I think it's about burst potential. It'll have to roll for the Smite and I think the VR is cheaper w/a 5++ - and if you want that extra little firepower throw on missile pods

All that said, some folks seem to worship the Hemlock so I'll have to check it out sometime Wink

PS - yes you can mix them
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PostSubject: Re: My "Optimized" 2k List - Drukhari + CWE   My "Optimized" 2k List - Drukhari + CWE I_icon_minitimeMon Mar 26 2018, 10:38

@FattimusMcGee wrote:
All that said, some folks seem to worship the Hemlock so I'll have to check it out sometime Wink

PS - yes you can mix them
The extra 90° turn is very nice. Also the 6+++ fnp and the -2 leadership are making the hemlock worth a second look.
A S12 weapon, hitting automatically? Fluffwise, the Drukhari have a magic like technology,
but face it, a human lascannon is more effective than our dark lance. Don't get me wrong,
the lance is way cooler, but just not as effective, with the special rule gone...

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