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Mononcule
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PostSubject: 1000 pts with some assault   1000 pts with some assault I_icon_minitimeSun Feb 25 2018, 01:09

Fellow Archons,

Friendly game incoming, 1000pts against orks/necrons. Didnt play for a while, so any comments are welcome!

Haemonculus, EW, relic pistol
Haemonculus, EW

5 wracks with ossefactor and agoniser
5 wracks with ossefactor and agoniser
5 wracks with ossefactor

Disintegrator raider
Disintegrator raider

1 clawed fiend
1 clawed fiend

Dark Lances Razorwing JF
Dark Lances Razorwing JF

Goal of the list: infantry is T5, clawed fiends for overwatch, objective grabbers, distraction, etc.

Thanks!
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Stea1k
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PostSubject: Re: 1000 pts with some assault   1000 pts with some assault I_icon_minitimeSun Feb 25 2018, 02:51

Why not take any liquefier guns? I haven't used wracks, but wouldn't the d6 autohits be better suited as an even ground between facing orcs and necrons? Necrons aren't a hoard army, but their reanimation protocols makes them really difficult to put down without focus fire. By points, they cost the same. Plus, if down a raider, I'm pretty sure those d6 auto hits apply in overwatch.

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PostSubject: Re: 1000 pts with some assault   1000 pts with some assault I_icon_minitimeSun Feb 25 2018, 09:01

The wracks may be t5 (with harm) but there is only 5 of them per unit. The sorry excuse for durability in the form of 6+/5+fnp/6+pfp is barely better than 4+ armour. They like the rest of our army die on a stiff breeze. Clawed fiends are also, like the rest of our army, very squishy. 4w to kill and only a 5+ save means 18 bolter shots (12 hits, 6 wounds, 4 failed saves, now fnp or pfp) will kill a clawed fiend (without cover). Now, if they shoot at the clawed fiends, then they ignore the RWJF, right? Not really. They don't need to shoot the fiends at all. Against a unit of 10 necron warriors, 1 clawed fiend will kill 1-2 of them. And on objectives as highlighted before, small arms (not normally shooting at the flyers anyway) will easily kill them. The way I see this list is an elite army of of what other factions can do for non-elites. This isn't your fault though... GW screwed us over this edition (in my opinion). Don't take this the wrong way, but anything to do with covens is overpointed, except maybe is some situations the harm, so just don't use them. Ossefactors are great, but wracks aren't. The only decent units in the list are raiders (I can't comment on them, never use them) and razorwings (awesome).
However, if this is just a game with friends, without too much emphasis on winning, and more having fun, go ahead, take what you want.
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Cerve
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PostSubject: Re: 1000 pts with some assault   1000 pts with some assault I_icon_minitimeWed Feb 28 2018, 01:16

At 1000 points a battallions seems pretty expensive in my opinion. Why don't you try a Vanguard/Spearlance or an Outrider one? Take just one Haemi, 2xTroops and bring some Raiders/Venoms inside. You don't need the Fiends, you can soak some Overwatch with transports. Maybe one Raider with 9 Wracks+Haemi, and a Venom wiith 5 of them.
Even 3 Grotesques sounds fun if you have them. A fully coven army
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PostSubject: Re: 1000 pts with some assault   1000 pts with some assault I_icon_minitimeWed Feb 28 2018, 06:27

My experience is that in small battles you really need things like fiends and such for deep strike blocking. in larger battles I often have enough units to block a lot anyway, but in small games it is a lot harder since not most of the deployment zone will be filled.
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PostSubject: Re: 1000 pts with some assault   1000 pts with some assault I_icon_minitimeWed Feb 28 2018, 06:49

Mmm..It is true. You can try 2 Khymeraes if you need points
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Mononcule
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PostSubject: Re: 1000 pts with some assault   1000 pts with some assault I_icon_minitimeSat Mar 03 2018, 23:27

Thank you for all the info!

@Stea1k: I dont plan to use liquifiers because orks and necrons start at toughness 4
@Dwarfepic: I agree with your point, I changed the list accordingly. I'll field a few grots event if they aren't competitive as its a friendly game
@Cerve: good catch! I'll try the vangard detachment
@ Meavar: for this reason I'll keep the fiends

Based on your comment (and considering its a friendly game), I changed my list

Note: I purposely avoid using ravagers and scourges for this specific game

Vanguard - 1000pts

Haemonculus, EW, relic pistol

3 grotesques (1 with EW) in DL raider

5 mandrakes
5 mandrakes
1 solitaire

1 clawed fiend
1 clawed fiend

Dark Lances Razorwing JF
Dark Lances Razorwing JF

the grots will advance towards the opponent to provide support to the mandrakes. The fiend will grab objectives or soak overwatch. The Solitaire is there just for fun, it is my favorite non DE unit. His treat bubble is awesome event if often he dont do much.
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