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Castellan Alaric
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PostSubject: Starting purchases   Mon Feb 12 2018, 21:51

Hey y'all, I am really serious about getting into DE with the new book coming out and I am curious y'all's opinion with these 4 purchases to start (including the 'dex and datacards)

2x start collecting
2x venom
scourge
voidraven (fav model ever)

So my thinking is to go with 2 squads of blasterborn in venoms, 1 squad of 10 kabalites with a blaster in one of the raiders, the other raider carries the 2 archons (I could split the squad of 10 down to 2x5 with a blaster each?), the scourge with 4 blasters deep striking, two squads of reavers with blasters and a grav talon each, and the voidraven because it's a boss and probably my fav GW model to date. So here's how it'd look:

archon - blaster
archon - blaster
10 warriors - blaster
5 trueborn - 4 blasters
5 trueborn - 4 blasters
3 reavers - blaster, grav talon, arena champ agoniser
3 reavers - blaster, grav talon, arena champ agoniser
scourge - 4 blasters
2 raiders - lance, shock prow
2 venoms - double cannons
voidraven - void lances and missiles

What do y'all think? I'd probably run it as an outrider detachment to get an extra command point. Do you reckon it's enough darklight? Thanks for the critique!


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PostSubject: Re: Starting purchases   Mon Feb 12 2018, 22:00

I would wait. A lot of those choices will leave you disappointed in the index, so wait until the codex drops before deciding anything.

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PostSubject: Re: Starting purchases   Mon Feb 12 2018, 22:08

That looks like a really solid basis for starting a Dark Eldar army, and it's difficult to imagine that the Codex is going to shake things up to the extent that it would be a bad foundation.

I'd caution against some of the options that you're planning, however. Dark Lances are (possibly arguably) better than Blasters on Scourges and basic Warriors are probably a better option than Trueborn; running four groups of five Kabalites with a Blaster each would enable you to field a Battalion detachment and get + 3 Command Points. Reavers are also on the very weak side at the moment and special weapons on them are excessive, but that could change in the Codex and it's pretty easy to magnetise their weapons.

How I'd build the models you'll have;

Archon - Splinter Pistol (Parasite's Kiss), Agoniser
Archon - Blaster, Agoniser
5 Warriors - Blaster
5 Warriors - Blaster
5 Warriors - Blaster
5 Warriors - Blaster
3 Reavers
3 Reavers
5 Scourges - 4 Dark Lances
Raider - Dark Lance
Raider - Dark Lance
Venom - 2 Splinter Cannons
Venom - 2 Splinter Cannons
Voidraven - 2 Void Lances and Missiles

That gets you to 1275 points and 6 Command Points total, and gives you a really strong core to an army. You do need more darklight at some point and eventually picking up another unit of Scourges or some Ravagers would help with that.
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PostSubject: Re: Starting purchases   Mon Feb 12 2018, 22:17

@burnage thanks man! I am just spitballing at this point, as the codex will probably blow up most of the ideas Razz lol
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PostSubject: Re: Starting purchases   Mon Feb 12 2018, 22:53

Hey man, solid starting kabal list. like you said and others have warned, that codex is gonna change all the advice we can give you here.

My 2 cents: Buy yourself that voidraven and take the next two weeks to make it a gorgeous centerpiece for your army. B/c by the sounds of it, good or bad, youll want to bring that 9/10 times. By the time its ready, youll have a dex to make the rest of your decisions with

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PostSubject: Re: Starting purchases   Mon Feb 12 2018, 22:57

Hold off until the codex comes out. Best advice you can get here. That's both from the perspective of being strategic with your purchases as well as to simply see if we will be a tier D army Wink

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PostSubject: Re: Starting purchases   Mon Feb 12 2018, 23:02

@SushiBoy013 wrote:
Hold off until the codex comes out. Best advice you can get here. That's both from the perspective of being strategic with your purchases as well as to simply see if we will be a tier D army Wink

Tier D stand for "Tier Disaster"?
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PostSubject: Re: Starting purchases   Mon Feb 12 2018, 23:03

@dumpeal wrote:
@SushiBoy013 wrote:
Hold off until the codex comes out. Best advice you can get here. That's both from the perspective of being strategic with your purchases as well as to simply see if we will be a tier D army Wink

Tier D stand for "Tier Disaster"?

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PostSubject: Re: Starting purchases   Tue Feb 13 2018, 04:45

I don't think your purchase plan is at all bad for starting a new Dark Eldar force. It's a well rounded start to a kabalite force. You might want to leave heavy or special weapons off your dudes in case the codex changes what has been our common loadout or you can magnetize them I suppose.

That being said I wouldn't build much past that until the codex drops.
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PostSubject: Re: Starting purchases   Tue Feb 13 2018, 05:02

I would also caution against big purchases right now ahead of the codex (great business strategy GW...) but I will say that if the voidraven is your favorite model it's probably worth it no matter what the codex is like.

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PostSubject: Re: Starting purchases   Tue Feb 13 2018, 06:42

Well consider that getting 4 blasters means getting 4 boxes of warriors. Same for Scourges. If (gods willing) haywire and heatlance gets reasonable in the codex, you will have this aspect a bit easier, but if you want to get ahead with painting a bit, I would personally start with warriors and few vehicles, Raider, Ravager and the VRB perhaps. That should give you some fun while you wait.
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PostSubject: Re: Starting purchases   Tue Feb 13 2018, 07:08

@RedRegicide wrote:
Hey man, solid starting kabal list. like you said and others have warned, that codex is gonna change all the advice we can give you here.

My 2 cents: Buy yourself that voidraven and take the next two weeks to make it a gorgeous centerpiece for your army. B/c by the sounds of it, good or bad, youll want to bring that 9/10 times. By the time its ready, youll have a dex to make the rest of your decisions with

This, start with a voidraven since you really like the model the rules matter less for it, since you will probably field it anyway.
One start collecting box might also be an idea if you finish the voidraven very fast, but as others mentioned the special/heavy weapon loadout might be subject to change.
Don't buy it all now, buy 1 thing paint it and soon the codex will be out and we/you can make a better judgement on what you want in the army.
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PostSubject: Re: Starting purchases   Tue Feb 13 2018, 07:24

Do you have other armies that you’ve collected before? I’d highly suggest taking the time to learn and buy everything needed to magnetize your minis

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PostSubject: Re: Starting purchases   Tue Feb 13 2018, 07:32

I'm going to agree with The Red King and say go buy yourself a beautiful Voidraven, because you will want that regardless of whether the Codex makes it great or so so.

Warriors are probably fairly safe.

Transports could end up either advantage Venoms, advantage Raiders or fairly even. Generally a good bet for Drukhari.

Reavers and Scourges (and possibly the Archons) are riskier picks, and could be worth waiting until post-Codex.

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PostSubject: Re: Starting purchases   Tue Feb 13 2018, 14:26

WOW great responses all! My birthday is coming up here end of next month, and I was just looking for some overall advise on my purchase strategy, that'll probably take the better part of this year :/ I would love to run out and snag a voidraven and build/paint it up, but I just don't have the $ right now. House, kid, and budgets somehow steal all my hobby money scratch

Thanks again y'all!
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PostSubject: Re: Starting purchases   Tue Feb 13 2018, 14:58

Sounds like perfect timing for your birthday, our codex should hopefully be out by then.

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PostSubject: Re: Starting purchases   Tue Feb 13 2018, 15:45

I really am stoked to get started with them. I love the speed and brutality of the army. The epitome of glass cannon.

I also really hope reavers get some love, I feel like I'm going to be running them regardless of their power, because the models are dope and I love the idea of the unit as well.

I was thinking of painting my guys up in the colors of the Broken Sigil. I love the terror tactics thinking of Xerathis. Plus that metallic teal and bone will look dope together!
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