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PostSubject: Helped someone with Ynnari as DE, here is my best Deatchment   Sun Feb 04 2018, 09:23

So i saw someone talking about DE Ynnari and if i was going to take them (Pre-codex) what would i take and how to maximize Ynnari use?

Outrider 744pts
Yvarine (goes with Raider of Incubi)
Incubi x9 + Raider
Scourges x4 Dark Lances
Scourges x4 Dark Lances
Reavers x5

Incubi will try to Attack 2x
Scourges will try to shoot 2x (having a back up unit is good)
Reavers +2" drug can move 2x to tie up Vehicles

What would your best single Detachment for DE only Ynnari?

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PostSubject: Re: Helped someone with Ynnari as DE, here is my best Deatchment   Sun Feb 04 2018, 16:48


++ Outrider Detachment +1CP (Aeldari - Ynnari) [46 PL, 999pts] ++

+ Dedicated Transport +

Raider [6 PL, 116pts]: Dark Lance, Shock Prow

+ Fast Attack +

Razorwing Flocks [2 PL, 84pts]: 6x Razorwing flock

Scourges [6 PL, 150pts]
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Dark Lance
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Dark Lance
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Dark Lance
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Dark Lance
. Solarite: Shardcarbine

Scourges [6 PL, 150pts]
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Dark Lance
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Dark Lance
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Dark Lance
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Dark Lance
. Solarite: Shardcarbine

+ HQ +

The Visarch [7 PL, 141pts]

Yvraine [7 PL, 132pts]: Gaze of Ynnead, Word of the Phoenix

+ Elites +

Beastmaster [3 PL, 56pts]: Beastmaster's scourge

Incubi [9 PL, 170pts]
. 8x Incubi
. Klaivex: Demiklaives

++ Total: [46 PL, 999pts] ++

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I realize the visarch doesn't really do much here but he feels like a better Incubi leader than the non codex Drazhar I was playing around with the idea of him in a raider with 7xincubi and two sslyth that way he can get 7 attacks when both Sslyth die ...
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PostSubject: Re: Helped someone with Ynnari as DE, here is my best Deatchment   Sun Feb 04 2018, 16:57

Pre-Codex, I think that a Patrol detachment of Yvraine, a squad of 5 Kabalites and one or two units of Dark Lance Scourges is our best bet, for a total of 317 or 467 points.

Dark Lance Scourges are clearly our best option for using the shooting phase Soulburst.
Yvraine is the cheapest Ynnari HQ while also giving us easy access to Soulburst with Word of the Phoenix.
Kabalites are cheap filler to make a legal detachment.

We don't have any strong enough melee units right now to take good advantage of the close combat Soulburst and with the Ynnari nerf we can't use cheap single model units to get free Soulbursts, so I think just focusing on Scourges would provide the maximum bang for your buck.
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PostSubject: Re: Helped someone with Ynnari as DE, here is my best Deatchment   Sun Feb 04 2018, 17:51

Definitely fast attack

Scourges with poison weapons would be best I think and not heavy weapons, just make a scourge squad to double shoot poison and fire 84 shots. then reavers with 2" move and advance to get as close to the enemy and try and trigger a soulburst so they can charge. Would totally wait for codex though. Dark eldar's best units for soulburst aren't very good like hellions and reavers. Scourges are fine.

and while dark lance scourges might seem good, they are very easy to take out since they lack the buffs of things like what dark reapers can get.

5 dark reapers are better then a set o 5 scourges with 4 dark lances and cheaper so I wouldn't care about it
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PostSubject: Re: Helped someone with Ynnari as DE, here is my best Deatchment   Sun Feb 04 2018, 18:00

@PFI wrote:
Definitely fast attack

Scourges with poison weapons would be best I think and not heavy weapons, just make a scourge squad to double shoot poison and fire 84 shots. then reavers with 2" move and advance to get as close to the enemy and try and trigger a soulburst so they can charge. Would totally wait for codex though. Dark eldar's best units for soulburst aren't very good like hellions and reavers. Scourges are fine.

and while dark lance scourges might seem good, they are very easy to take out since they lack the buffs of things like what dark reapers can get.

5 dark reapers are better then a set o 5 scourges with 4 dark lances and cheaper so I wouldn't care about it

I wouldn't deny that Dark Reapers are a better option, but that's a moot point when the question is "What's the best Ynnari detachment using solely Dark Eldar units?"

Reavers and infantry-mounted Splinter Cannons seem tremendously overcosted to me; giving them the chance for a bonus action each turn doesn't help that.
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PostSubject: Re: Helped someone with Ynnari as DE, here is my best Deatchment   Sun Feb 04 2018, 18:18

@Burnage wrote:
@PFI wrote:
Definitely fast attack

Scourges with poison weapons would be best I think and not heavy weapons, just make a scourge squad to double shoot poison and fire 84 shots. then reavers with 2" move and advance to get as close to the enemy and try and trigger a soulburst so they can charge. Would totally wait for codex though. Dark eldar's best units for soulburst aren't very good like hellions and reavers. Scourges are fine.

and while dark lance scourges might seem good, they are very easy to take out since they lack the buffs of things like what dark reapers can get.

5 dark reapers are better then a set o 5 scourges with 4 dark lances and cheaper so I wouldn't care about it

I wouldn't deny that Dark Reapers are a better option, but that's a moot point when the question is "What's the best Ynnari detachment using solely Dark Eldar units?"

Reavers and infantry-mounted Splinter Cannons seem tremendously overcosted to me; giving them the chance for a bonus action each turn doesn't help that.

This, Scourges and Incubi are our best for Shooting and Melee as Ynnari, but Reavers with +2 Movement, could change the game. If you can get charges off on 1-3 tanks or Late game move across the board for objectives.

DE is just lower class than CWE and Harlequins, they both have everything better other than cheap troops and many ways to take a Lance.

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PostSubject: Re: Helped someone with Ynnari as DE, here is my best Deatchment   Sun Feb 04 2018, 23:07

For sure if you're going with the list you first posted amishprn86, you'll want yvraine with the scourges. Because you're trying to shoot your scourges from far away from your enemy, you're unlikely to get a soul burst action with them. So you'll for sure want Yvraine's psychic powers to trigger a soul burst for at least one of them.

They could in turn trigger the incubi by killing something near them.
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