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The Strange Dark One
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PostSubject: Re: Apparently... we're next.   Fri Jan 26 2018, 14:14

@FuelDrop wrote:
I really hope that they don't go all Blood Angels/Space Wolves and name all our stuff "Dark (fill in blank)" beyond darklight weapons. We don't view ourselves as the dark reflection of the craftworlds after all! WE ARE THE TRUE KIN!

What makes you think that we will receive new content?
I mean I wish, but...

Ugh, sorry. I will stop being so pessimistic now.

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PostSubject: Re: Apparently... we're next.   Fri Jan 26 2018, 14:18

I really don't think we should expect much more than a refresh on the points costs, some additional/amended rules on the odd unit here and there and then a load of faction related relics and strategems.

Is that not what we are expecting?
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PostSubject: Re: Apparently... we're next.   Fri Jan 26 2018, 14:20

Jeah I think the faction thing can be a real big issue, and it can be no problem at all, it just depends on how it is implemented. But I also fear we ill see litle besides some point adjustments and stratagems and relics...
I just hope most of our weapons and units will be viable instead of the handfull that were great when the index dropped.
And that we can do more then just spam transports and darklight.

I also doubt we will see new models, and I don't mind that to much (which is why I fear the new ealves maybe they will make us like the beastmen). I don't want my box of 10 wyches see a price hike from 23 euro to 50  (45 wych ealves+5 gun hand sprue).
I like most of our plastics (it is why I started dark eldar) and they are slightly older thus well priced. Some of the character units and beasts are stupid, but most of those are easily convertable.
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PostSubject: Re: Apparently... we're next.   Fri Jan 26 2018, 14:59

So hoping they realize that:
1. Poison is not nearly as effective as they THINK it is. Assault, NOT rapid fire for gods sake!
2. Dark lances need to be str 9, or need to be rapid fire, or SOMETHING to mitigate the high cost with average output
3. Starweaver vs venom. Nuff said.
4. Our hand to hand units SUCK at hand to hand (yes wyches, I am looking at you).
5. The entire coven section is unplayable
6. Mandrakes are point efficient and fluffy. Look at them. Compare everything to them.
7. Reavers... how the mighty have fallen. FIX THAT! reaver troops for wych cults should be a thing.


Sadly, from experience, what they WILL realize is:
1. Jetfighters are too good. Increase 30 pts
2. Arcons 2++ is OP- make it a 4++, fail and it is gone
3. Wracks need only one poison weapon. Ossefactor +10 pts.
4. Grots have too many wounds.


I kid (kind of) and I am HOPING for a balanced, powerful, competitive codex. This is the last chance I am giving them before I sell off my dark Eldar, which is a shame since I have played them since the beginning. I am just tired of being let down.

Hoping for the best!

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PostSubject: Re: Apparently... we're next.   Fri Jan 26 2018, 15:09

2. Dark lances need to be str 9, or need to be rapid fire, or SOMETHING to mitigate the high cost with average output

???

Dark Lances are already S9
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PostSubject: Re: Apparently... we're next.   Fri Jan 26 2018, 15:11

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Dark Lances are already S9

No they aren't. Voidlances are S9. Dark lances are S8.

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PostSubject: Re: Apparently... we're next.   Fri Jan 26 2018, 15:13

Quite right I just double checked...S8 which I don't think is that bad. I prefer having -4 AP than the additional S like the Lascannon.
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PostSubject: Re: Apparently... we're next.   Fri Jan 26 2018, 15:14

@Dark Elf Dave wrote:
2. Dark lances need to be str 9, or need to be rapid fire, or SOMETHING to mitigate the high cost with average output

???

Dark Lances are already S9

In your dreams. Dark Lances are S8
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PostSubject: Re: Apparently... we're next.   Fri Jan 26 2018, 15:23

im genuinely filled with dread with this announcement... The rumors, which turn 99% of the time to be true, placed us AFTER Tau and necrons, the only reason i see for them to push us first is just to throw the codex out of the door in order to win time to flesh out the "imortant" codexes...
Guys i wish i get proven wrong but i think we should prepare for the worst...
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PostSubject: Re: Apparently... we're next.   Fri Jan 26 2018, 15:31

I only hope the reason why we won't have Vect is because Malys took over and we'll have a Malys model. Buuuutt... I don't WANT that !!
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PostSubject: Re: Apparently... we're next.   Fri Jan 26 2018, 16:09

@dumpeal wrote:
I only hope the reason why we won't have Vect is because Malys took over and we'll have a Malys model. Buuuutt... I don't WANT that !!

We already have Malys model
Just look at Yvrane


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PostSubject: Re: Apparently... we're next.   Fri Jan 26 2018, 16:12

So, I think it's pretty reasonable to not expect any new models.
However, do you think we'll get datasheets for units without an actual model?

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PostSubject: Re: Apparently... we're next.   Fri Jan 26 2018, 16:13

Bringing back vect and the dais would be a two for one, we get the biggest character in our fluff back and people finally get plastic sisters of battle
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PostSubject: Re: Apparently... we're next.   Fri Jan 26 2018, 16:27

@TheBaconPope wrote:
So, I think it's pretty reasonable to not expect any new models.
However, do you think we'll get datasheets for units without an actual model?

No. GW is a model company that also provide gaming rules. Not the opposite.
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PostSubject: Re: Apparently... we're next.   Fri Jan 26 2018, 16:42

@dumpeal wrote:
@TheBaconPope wrote:
So, I think it's pretty reasonable to not expect any new models.
However, do you think we'll get datasheets for units without an actual model?

No. GW is a model company that also provide gaming rules. Not the opposite.

LOL.. lol! and that is literally why Tom Kirby was removed as CEO Razz Kevin Rountree was like "listen investors, we need to sell good rules, good rules will make more money, and we need some discounted boxes, let me do this to prove to you i'm correct. Let me make 3-4 formations to show you that players flock to powerful rules"  #TauDar rules! #RiptideWing #SkyhammerAssault #StarCollectionBoxes  Razz Very Happy bounce

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PostSubject: Re: Apparently... we're next.   Fri Jan 26 2018, 16:44

I think he meant succubus on jetbike etc, so no models, but the only way to make them is with 2 different kits.
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PostSubject: Re: Apparently... we're next.   Fri Jan 26 2018, 16:45

@Britishgrotesque wrote:
I think he meant succubus on jetbike etc, so no models, but the only way to make them is with 2 different kits.

"We are a Modeling Company" is an old phrase Tom Kirby used to say all the time when Codex's were bad, came out slow, or just not balanced.

He was quoting him to be sarcastic.

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PostSubject: Re: Apparently... we're next.   Fri Jan 26 2018, 16:52

@dumpeal wrote:
@TheBaconPope wrote:
So, I think it's pretty reasonable to not expect any new models.
However, do you think we'll get datasheets for units without an actual model?

No. GW is a model company that also provide gaming rules. Not the opposite.

I expect all HQs getting the same treatment as the CWE Autarch and not having any kind of wargear not provided in their "box". What you buy is what you get.
As Bloodbrides and Trueborns dont have a model, normal wyches and kab. war are normally used, i kinda fear they will drop them from the codex, and while Bloodbrides might not really be a huge loss in their current state, Trueborns on the other hand...

Do any other army have a "Trueborn" type of unit where you have to use the base unit and then call it "elite"?
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PostSubject: Re: Apparently... we're next.   Fri Jan 26 2018, 16:55

@Keast Kannegaard wrote:
@dumpeal wrote:
@TheBaconPope wrote:
So, I think it's pretty reasonable to not expect any new models.
However, do you think we'll get datasheets for units without an actual model?

No. GW is a model company that also provide gaming rules. Not the opposite.

I expect all HQs getting the same treatment as the CWE Autarch and not having any kind of wargear not provided in their "box". What you buy is what you get.
As Bloodbrides and Trueborns dont have a model, normal wyches and kab. war are normally used, i kinda fear they will drop them from the codex, and while Bloodbrides might not really be a huge loss in their current state, Trueborns on the other hand...

Do any other army have a "Trueborn" type of unit where you have to use the base unit and then call it "elite"?

I'm 100% sure they did this b.c they didnt want to make another 2 boxes for DE. Remember when DE got updated we didnt have all the box kits as we do now. Many came later, even the venom wasnt right out the door.

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PostSubject: Re: Apparently... we're next.   Fri Jan 26 2018, 16:56

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Do any other army have a "Trueborn" type of unit where you have to use the base unit and then call it "elite"?

If I remember right, IG conscripts, infantry, and veterans all share the same models.

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PostSubject: Re: Apparently... we're next.   Fri Jan 26 2018, 17:57

We should be the master of alpha strike, i wounder how they can make it faster than other Codex. Surprise me pls GW
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PostSubject: Re: Apparently... we're next.   Fri Jan 26 2018, 18:12

A special rule allowing us to put everything in reserve
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PostSubject: Re: Apparently... we're next.   Fri Jan 26 2018, 18:15

@Drazar wrote:
We should be the master of alpha strike, i wounder how they can make it faster than other Codex. Surprise me pls GW

maybe an additional movement phase during the psychic phase ,but afortunately we will know it soon.
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PostSubject: Re: Apparently... we're next.   Fri Jan 26 2018, 18:21

Being able to move half distance in the opponents psychic phase would actually make me feel like a king of maneuverability.
However, all I'm expecting is a copy paste of the Craftworld's deep strike Strategems, and a 1CP one that allows me to double my movement at the expense of shooting and charging.

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PostSubject: Re: Apparently... we're next.   Fri Jan 26 2018, 19:17

I'm cautiously optimistic....I don't think I've been as scarred as most the folks here from our treatment, but then I was a Bretonnian player in 8th ed Fantasy and waited for the book that never came before they ended the game. The fact that we're getting a book and they didn't "Endtimes" 40k tells me this will be better than my previous experience.

I'm hoping they don't mess up anything that is already good (mandrakes, jets, Archon's 2++) but just make the other choices VIABLE. I started this army after a breakup, so I literally bought every single model i liked. I have tons of jetbikes and hellions I WANT DESPERATELY to paint and use....along with plenty of kabs and wyches that are just collecting dust.

Here's hoping!


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