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PostSubject: Wishthinking new GW/Forgeworld Drukhari   Mon Jan 15 2018, 10:33

Well in the Next Codex announcements thread in this very subforum I came after with an idea after several posters, me included, wrote some wishful thinking.


Right now we are the least considered faction in Forgeworld; IIRC somebody wrote here that Forgeworld had said they would not make Dark Eldar Drukhari kits anymore, which is a shame for them and sad for us.

Also we lack any superheavy-like option like Eldar Wraithknight, Imperial Baneblades, Ork Stompas and such things.

But we can always dream (with an eye open just in case). And who knows, maybe if we happen to have a good enough idea they* will rethink their policy and give the True Kin some more love.

*be them GW or Forgeworld

My take is that we lack in 1 or even 2 categories, that of superheavy gunships and superheavy/larger transports. And a third category for characters.


Superheavy/larger transport: Based on an enlarged Raider, just a floor extension (although it would have to be a whole new resin vehicle). While the Tantalus makes up for an enlarged, upgunned transport, it also is much bigger in volume and has a lot of firepower. I'm talking here just of an enlarged Raider with standard weaponry to embark up to 20 troopers (so smaller than a Tantalus).


Superheavy gunship: Also based on the enlarged Raider in the style of a bigger Reaper would allow for a vehicle in keeping with the existing ones but with the firepower of a mainstream superheavy, heavier than that of the Reaper. Like the Eldar Scorpion or Cobra and keeping its looks in line with other Drukhari vehicles while being bigger than them.


I am particularly more than happy with our existing options; just multiplying the Reaper can suffice for higher firepower. But we have to pay a lot for a 16 capable transport. And we could have that superheavy too, both for the cool factor and to have that superior weapon we don't have now and not end looking like poor cousins to craftworlders which we definitely should not be.


Regarding characters, IIRC Forgeworld does not make them except for Primarchs and original characters, so we could not hope they release a Baron or a Duke. But certainly they could come with an original Drukhari character. Something GW could do even more easily.


An Imperial Armour book with Drukhari would allow for the inclusion of such vehicles and characters, maybe with their accompanying new unit, Shadow Spectres style. Or they could be in the codex, or in White Dwarf...

Opinions, opinions, please!!!!

EDIT: Changed the title and text to reflect the (slight if any) chance of new plastic kits from GW. Edited (added) text in yellow

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PostSubject: Re: Wishthinking new GW/Forgeworld Drukhari   Mon Jan 15 2018, 10:46

As long as they keep the Reaper and Tanatlus i'm fine. I dont think FW will be to into 40k Armies much any more. I get the since that they are moving away from FW slowly, in 10yrs they will either be gone or just 30k/HH

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PostSubject: Re: Wishthinking new GW/Forgeworld Drukhari   Mon Jan 15 2018, 11:07

I suspect he's right. Forgeworld has been making less and less general kits, and seem to be moving towards just HH and Specialist Games.
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PostSubject: Re: Wishthinking new GW/Forgeworld Drukhari   Mon Jan 15 2018, 11:25

They're also supposed to be launching the new version of Adeptus Titanicus at some stage, which you would imagine will take more resources away from 40K.

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PostSubject: Re: Wishthinking new GW/Forgeworld Drukhari   Mon Jan 15 2018, 12:31

@Squidmaster wrote:
I suspect he's right. Forgeworld has been making less and less general kits, and seem to be moving towards just HH and Specialist Games.

I'd guess that this is because GW themselves are moving into the territory that Forgeworld once occupied, with the size and detail of their kits. Compare the new main Great Unclean One to the FW version, for instance.

There's no reason that we might not see big new models in future, but if we do, they won't be coming from Forgeworld.
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PostSubject: Re: Wishthinking new GW/Forgeworld Drukhari   Mon Jan 15 2018, 13:59

that's true. In fact, i think that it's more possible GW releasing a plastic version of Tantalus and reaper than new dark eldar models on forgeworld.

If the "year of xenos" is true, would be nice that this happen with a launch on plastic of all the dark eldar resin models.

But like this supposed to be a wishthinking, would be cool a Dark Eldar miniatures Post fall but pre rise of Asdrubal, playable on 30k.
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PostSubject: Re: Wishthinking new GW/Forgeworld Drukhari   Mon Jan 15 2018, 15:36

There also was a forgeworld plane at some point for DE (Raven fighter).

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PostSubject: Re: Wishthinking new GW/Forgeworld Drukhari   Mon Jan 15 2018, 15:49

Yeah, that was a really cool model, im looking for a 3rd party that has one, if you find something let me know.

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PostSubject: Re: Wishthinking new GW/Forgeworld Drukhari   Mon Jan 15 2018, 16:40

@Rodi Sikni wrote:
that's true. In fact, i think that it's more possible GW releasing a plastic version of Tantalus and reaper than new dark eldar models on forgeworld.

If the "year of xenos" is true, would be nice that this happen with a launch on plastic of all the dark eldar resin models.

But like this supposed to be a wishthinking,  would be cool a Dark Eldar miniatures Post fall but pre rise of Asdrubal, playable on 30k.

While I don't think they consider the Eldar in 30K (it would be a whole new line and new designs), I really hope you're right about GW tackling plastic drukhari big vehicles and characters. But instead of a plastic Tantalus I think they'd release a brand new kit just as they did with the Eldar when the Wraithknight was released instead of releasing a Scorpion or similar kit.

I also don't think Forgeworld is gonna release anything Dark Eldar. I don't even think what we say right here, right now would be read by anybody remotely able to exert some kind of influence regarding the smallish chance that such vehicles are thought of.

But, it's just for the sake of wishful thinking.

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PostSubject: Re: Wishthinking new GW/Forgeworld Drukhari   Mon Jan 15 2018, 16:50

We would see the Dias before a Tantalus i would think.


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PostSubject: Re: Wishthinking new GW/Forgeworld Drukhari   Mon Jan 15 2018, 23:05

Response from ForgeWorld back on 9.4.2014 when I messaged them about their lack of Dark Eldar models:


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Hi,
      Thank you for your email.  We do not have any current new Dark Eldar models planned, but it is likely that we will make some more at some point in the future.  We will be releasing a new tau Battlesuit this weekend at our European Open Day and it will be going on general release in the near future.  We will also produce models for ranges that are popular and sell really well.  The issue with Dark Eldar is that even when we produce new kits for them, they are never big sellers, so we have to place our resources accordingly.


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Basically they made two items and said, "Nope, not the turnout we wanted" and never revisited them again. They also clearly demonstrate what GW has never openly said: they're focus is bottom-line driven. I understand the necessity of that...but it would behoove them not to marginalize portions of the consumer base.

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PostSubject: Re: Wishthinking new GW/Forgeworld Drukhari   Mon Jan 15 2018, 23:18

When our town got a Manta, it was within the first 100 sold despite the kit having been around for years. Big seller isn't the be all and end all of their decisions.

Really, what we need is a hard counter to other armies superheavies. Take a Void Raven, switch out the bomb and missiles for three more void lances, and maybe then you'll be talking.
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PostSubject: Re: Wishthinking new GW/Forgeworld Drukhari   Tue Jan 16 2018, 03:54

I'd like to see some Forgeworld grotesques honestly. I know they move often do large kits outside of the power armor range but, I'd still like to pick some up. Hell, the idea of bringing back some of our special characters as Forgeworld stuff would be cool too.
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PostSubject: Re: Wishthinking new GW/Forgeworld Drukhari   Tue Jan 16 2018, 10:25

I just edited the first post to include the chance GW would make new plastic kits (LOL) for Drukhari.

Last winter i would have never thought about GW making new, bigger marines. Marines sell. Custodes will sell. Arbites would sell (some). SOB would sell (some more). But new marines?

They made them and gave them rules. And they sold.

If they come with new vehicles and maybe even characters for Drukhari they will sell for existing Dark Eldar players and they may sell it to new players. Even Eldar players can be willing to add/expand a Dark Eldar detachment.

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PostSubject: Re: Wishthinking new GW/Forgeworld Drukhari   Tue Jan 16 2018, 10:38

DE is the red headed step child of GW just like Slaanesh.

I'd guessing.... expecting DE to be rolled with Ynnari in the future, and Slaanesh be down played a lot and even Slaanesh dies (but keeping the rules) and making a new Faction of the Hrud, using Ynnari and Hrud to do it.

DE wont need to Torture if there is no Slaanesh.

Edit: If you dont know about the Hrud, they are 40k Skavin and they hate Slaanesh, they have a prophecy that their god (that is broken up into shards atm) will comeback and finish off Slaanesh.

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PostSubject: Re: Wishthinking new GW/Forgeworld Drukhari   Tue Jan 16 2018, 12:36

If they were going to get rid of dark eldar they wouldn't have copyrighted a new name, and why not destroy them in the last demon invasion? Gw aren't as cunning as that.

I'm guessing we will actually have new models by the end of this year, and I would suspect they are going to be from aelindrach. With a new named hq, the decapitator.
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PostSubject: Re: Wishthinking new GW/Forgeworld Drukhari   Tue Jan 16 2018, 12:46

Never said get ride of DE, i said rolled with Ynnari, as in not torturing and no sex (as i explained already). We will still have DE fully, just some word changes and how they "appear", so they are "not BDSM"

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PostSubject: Re: Wishthinking new GW/Forgeworld Drukhari   Tue Jan 16 2018, 13:29

We're not going to get rolled into Ynnari. If nothing else, Covens and Mandrakes have been noticeably distinguished from them.
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PostSubject: Re: Wishthinking new GW/Forgeworld Drukhari   Tue Jan 16 2018, 14:23

I remember back in 3rd edition we had two Forgeworld models. The Raven, which was already mentioned, and a double hulled Raven that I think was called the Razorwing. I never purchased those models but I remember they were both pretty cool looking.
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PostSubject: Re: Wishthinking new GW/Forgeworld Drukhari   Tue Jan 16 2018, 14:50

I dont literally mean rolled into Ynnari, i mean in system.....

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PostSubject: Re: Wishthinking new GW/Forgeworld Drukhari   Tue Jan 16 2018, 16:38

@amishprn86 wrote:
Never said get ride of DE, i said rolled with Ynnari, as in not torturing and no sex (as i explained already). We will still have DE fully, just some word changes and how they "appear", so they are "not BDSM"

mmm... I get your point (I think) and understand it, but...

I think no sex related issues can be brought about Drukhari minis or background and themes. If anything, Drukhari dress tight and wyches use scant clothing. But no tits showing like daemonettes...

Regarding torture, just the toning down of written pieces would suffice. They keep producing Mechanicum and Inquisition and those are professional torturers. Servitors for example, not to talk about certain Mechanicum units which are certainly disturbing.

The soul and emotion feeding could be stated without explicit resort to suffering. But then, what about the sickness spreading Nurgle? Or the wanton murdering of Khorne? The overtly fascist Imperium or the classist Tau? Or the might is right Ork "philosophy"?

Finally, it would be ironic that Drukhari got rolled into Ynnari because of subjective issues as Ynnari are definitely death worshippers and -in game- promote even self destruction to benefit from it...

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PostSubject: Re: Wishthinking new GW/Forgeworld Drukhari   Tue Jan 16 2018, 17:19

I highly doubt GW will make new Dark Eldar miniatures to expand the line, that is like expecting the Sisters of Battle to actually get a line revamp. If it happens I'll be happy but I don't think it will ever happen.
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PostSubject: Re: Wishthinking new GW/Forgeworld Drukhari   Tue Jan 16 2018, 17:46

I dont think we will get new models other than plastics. Just saying dont be surprise if they more the lore differently.

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PostSubject: Re: Wishthinking new GW/Forgeworld Drukhari   Tue Jan 16 2018, 18:29

Slaanesh is probably the lowest selling chaos god but, Fulgrim has already been mentioned in current lore and if they do more daemon Primarchs he should be getting a mini.

I don't think they are going to downright squash Slaanesh. Due to not selling (seriously how often do you see a Slaanesh daemon army?) Slaanesh just doesn't get many releases.

I don't think DE will get rolled fully into Ynnari euther. I doubt we see new minis this year but, I really hope we do.

Minis I'd like to see would include. Everything in finecast getting a plastic release with grotesques and beastpacks getting full boxes. New special HQ characters (or old ones getting minis) and a low type unit.
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PostSubject: Re: Wishthinking new GW/Forgeworld Drukhari   Tue Jan 16 2018, 18:36

Not talking about getting rid of anything lol, just change in perspective.

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