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PostSubject: Lelith viable warlord?   Sun Dec 31 2017, 18:58

With the new warlord trait for Cults, does this make Lelith as a viable warlord? If you roll well, you could do a ton of damage (5+ from turn 3 to proc warlord trait). Has anyone tried this yet?
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PostSubject: Re: Lelith viable warlord?   Mon Jan 01 2018, 21:30

I've played her a few times before the new warlord trait and she's fun. The biggest issue is that she will be on the front line and she's just t3 with a 3++ in close combat. Other melee specialist named HQ s can put the smesh on her too.
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PostSubject: Re: Lelith viable warlord?   Mon Jan 01 2018, 21:32

The new Warlord trait is a fairly significant boost to her damage out put but even with that boost she's still far too expensive IMO. I believe you'd be better off taking a Succubus with an Agoniser.

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PostSubject: Re: Lelith viable warlord?   Mon Jan 01 2018, 23:18

yay, more strength three hits.

Against hordes you are wounding on 4+ at best and the AP is wasted. Against Elites you are normally wounding on 5+, and dealing only one wound.

Against Characters, they have an invulnerable save so your AP is kinda wasted and you are still doing only one damage per hit.
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PostSubject: Re: Lelith viable warlord?   Tue Jan 02 2018, 00:36

Taking the strength drug with Lelith is a good idea. I take the impaler as well. You lose out on an attack but, against anything with a 3+ 4++ it does really well as it deals 2 damage.

Overall she does well against unamed MEQ characters and non melee focused characters. She's a fun choice not a world killing beatstick


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PostSubject: Re: Lelith viable warlord?   Tue Jan 02 2018, 00:54

She just need 4 more attacks to be worth the points.

My Troupe Masters are so much better than her its not even funny.

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PostSubject: Re: Lelith viable warlord?   Tue Jan 02 2018, 04:12

I mean what do you want her to do?
She is pretty decent against single wound targets with 3+ armour and no invulnerable save. Marines, battle sisters and the like.
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PostSubject: Re: Lelith viable warlord?   Tue Jan 02 2018, 04:25

Be worth her points............ Look at what a Solitaire can do then look at her, then compare the points.

She only has 4 base attacks at S3, 6 attacks max without AP, or 5 attacks with amazing AP, but again at S3, you will most likely Drug her to S4 and she only gets her 3++ in melee, not even all the time like the Solitaire.

Or just look at the Troupe Master, you can take 2 of them for 1 Lelith, that is 10 attacks -3 S4 Re-roll wounds with always a 4++ and RC


If she was 90pts? Sure i would take her. But not more than 90 as she is now.

Edit: All SoB has an Invul actually and can get +1 to their invul for a 5++ not that it really matters, if "shooting" SOB are in melee they are good as dead.

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PostSubject: Re: Lelith viable warlord?   Tue Jan 02 2018, 05:22

I'm fairly certain that the Succbus and Lelith get Invuln our of melee.

Yes, Succubus is more points efficient, especially with relic pistol. but Lelith is just so much fun.

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PostSubject: Re: Lelith viable warlord?   Tue Jan 02 2018, 05:31

Your correct she does it get now out of combat, i forgot, but i still stands by the damage output and i wouldnt use her until she is cheaper or more attacks.

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PostSubject: Re: Lelith viable warlord?   Tue Jan 02 2018, 06:03

Going character hunting is her thing. She does get rerolls against characters. If you aren't going head hunting she's not that great. Want to kill en exalted champion or something she can get the job done. Wouldn't try and take a swarmlord or Abaddon.
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PostSubject: Re: Lelith viable warlord?   Tue Jan 02 2018, 06:26

@lament.config wrote:
Going character hunting is her thing. She does get rerolls against characters. If you aren't going head hunting she's not that great. Want to kill en exalted champion or something she can get the job done. Wouldn't try and take a swarmlord or Abaddon.

Any halfway competent melee character will curb stomp Lilith so hard its not funny. Not even named characters. A stock Archon with huskblade would have pretty good odds of taking her down.
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PostSubject: Re: Lelith viable warlord?   Tue Jan 02 2018, 06:36

@FuelDrop wrote:
@lament.config wrote:
Going character hunting is her thing. She does get rerolls against characters. If you aren't going head hunting she's not that great. Want to kill en exalted champion or something she can get the job done. Wouldn't try and take a swarmlord or Abaddon.

Any halfway competent melee character will curb stomp Lilith so hard its not funny. Not even named characters. A stock Archon with huskblade would have pretty good odds of taking her down.

This, and most character also has an 4++ so the -4 AP doesnt do anything, the 2D is ok but that makes her cost even more.

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PostSubject: Re: Lelith viable warlord?   Tue Jan 02 2018, 10:42

One cannot help but get the feeling, wait for it...
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PostSubject: Re: Lelith viable warlord?   Tue Jan 02 2018, 16:05

See, you say that, but Blood Dancer effectively doubles her damage output on turn 3+

She was crap before hand and is at least viable now against a cheaper character, not the bloated magic item wielding monstrosities with more robo-enhancements than an Instagram model.

Lelith is just a chick with a knife and can still stand up to the majority of the universe. That’s pretty nutso to me.

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PostSubject: Re: Lelith viable warlord?   Tue Jan 02 2018, 17:13

@Barrywise wrote:
Lelith is just a chick with a knife and can still stand up to the majority of the universe. That’s pretty nutso to me.

This is honestly what I like most about the Wych cult as a whole.

You're confronted by a monstrous demon from beyond the realms of time and space. What do you do?

I'm going to get high and punch it in the face.
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PostSubject: Re: Lelith viable warlord?   Tue Jan 02 2018, 17:46

Blood Dancer reminds me of the old "Blender Lord" for Vampire Counts in WHFB, just with less strength. She could effectively be the best to deal with hordes.

With 5 attacks (from turn 3+) 1-2 of them would be blood dancer, creating 6 more hits. That is effectively 10 attacks at ap-4. +1A or +1S drugs would be best for her.

If they added a rule that she always wounds anything but a vehicle on a 3+ then she would be incredible!

Serpentin should be updated to say +1 to hit instead of +1WS. Then she could get blood dancer on 4+, and the Archite succubus a 5+.

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PostSubject: Re: Lelith viable warlord?   Tue Jan 02 2018, 18:57

She gets 7 attacks, 5 with her daggers then 2 with her hair.With the +1std drug she is pretty nasty now. Prob still too expensive to be best option, but viable.

I've used her a couple times since the change, one game she heroic intervened against the dire avenger special character. With the rerolls and blood dancer I landed 15 wounds. His 3++ was nice, but multiple low damage hits is best option against invulnerable saves, killed him in one phase.
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