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PostSubject: Ynnari FAQ today   Thu Nov 16 2017, 17:59

Page 76 – Strength from Death
Add the following paragraph:
‘Matched Play: If you are playing a matched play game, a unit
from your army cannot make a Soulburst action if a friendly
unit has already made the same Soulburst action during your
turn. In addition, units from your army cannot perform any
Soulburst actions during your opponent’s turn.’


So Ynnari is basically unplayable now. Yet another nerf for us.
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PostSubject: Re: Ynnari FAQ today   Thu Nov 16 2017, 18:03

Thank god.

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PostSubject: Re: Ynnari FAQ today   Thu Nov 16 2017, 18:10

Well, it means that you can't build a viable Ynarri army out of entire detachments full of min-sized suicide squads, which I always felt were kinda silly, especially for any type of Eldar army. Now you have to get your soulbursts primarily from killing the enemy, so your units will need to be killy/tough enough to actually do that. You still get a possible free shot, free fight, free move, and free charge every turn - you just can't get 3 free shots or 3 free fights, etc.

However, I do think that having one of the nerfs (either limiting the types of soulburst actions to 1 per turn, or limiting them to one's own turn) would have been sufficient. Implementing both might have been overkill.
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PostSubject: Re: Ynnari FAQ today   Thu Nov 16 2017, 18:24

That's Ynnari dead then.

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PostSubject: Re: Ynnari FAQ today   Thu Nov 16 2017, 18:28

Well no more Ynnari, literally made the army pointless to play in every way, no players will take just 1 unit and only 1, how is this better?

Ynnari wasnt even top/scary lists any ways.... to amke CWE/Quins/DE better over Ynnari, they just needed a codex, as you see with CWE, no one is playing Ynnari with them anymore over 2-3 units at max.

This literally just made the 2nd best Ynnari unit the single best, Dark Reapers, a 10man unit with Yvraine will be common. Put them both in a WS to start then turn one have fun.

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PostSubject: Re: Ynnari FAQ today   Thu Nov 16 2017, 18:36

@amishprn86 wrote:
This literally just made the 2nd best Ynnari unit the single best, Dark Reapers, a 10man unit with Yvraine will be common. Put them both in a WS to start then turn one have fun.

Only drawback is losing out on CWE warlord traits and relics but I guess you can manage without them. If I want Ynnari now it will be Yvraine, one big Dark Reaper unit and a couple of Ravagers (as they lose nothing for being Ynnari) in a Spearhead. Maybe throw in a Warlock for Conceal or Protect.

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PostSubject: Re: Ynnari FAQ today   Thu Nov 16 2017, 18:44

@Count Adhemar wrote:
@amishprn86 wrote:
This literally just made the 2nd best Ynnari unit the single best, Dark Reapers, a 10man unit with Yvraine will be common. Put them both in a WS to start then turn one have fun.

Only drawback is losing out on CWE warlord traits and relics but I guess you can manage without them. If I want Ynnari now it will be Yvraine, one big Dark Reaper unit and a couple of Ravagers (as they lose nothing for being Ynnari) in a Spearhead. Maybe throw in a Warlock for Conceal or Protect.

Even worst, you loose WL/Traits/Relics i forgot "If the Warlord of your army is either Yvraine, the
Visarch or the Yncarne then....." so yeah thats even worst.

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PostSubject: Re: Ynnari FAQ today   Thu Nov 16 2017, 18:46

I'd already stopped running Ynnari when playing seriously because I didn't like losing access to Warlord Traits, Relics and Craftworld Attributes.

Needless to say this isn't exactly making me reconsider.
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PostSubject: Re: Ynnari FAQ today   Thu Nov 16 2017, 18:52

I am on cloud nine, finally there might be a halt to the deluge of Ynnari topics.

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PostSubject: Re: Ynnari FAQ today   Thu Nov 16 2017, 18:55

Ha! Hated the whole concept of Yannari anyway. glad to see them die.

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PostSubject: Re: Ynnari FAQ today   Thu Nov 16 2017, 18:59

I just finished painting my ynarri models last week... Crying or Very sad

Yet another fluff breaking rule. grr.

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PostSubject: Re: Ynnari FAQ today   Thu Nov 16 2017, 19:03

Jeah it just made ynnari armies unplayable and leads to a single as small detachment as possible, like a single unit of sisters of battle is the "optimum"...

I hate it when they make an army and really make the rules actually push you into splitting to play armies as one army.
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PostSubject: Re: Ynnari FAQ today   Thu Nov 16 2017, 19:07

I'm in the "good riddance" corner. Didn't care about Ynnari to begin with, and quite frankly - I hope this means no one at GW sits back and thinks "Should Dark Eldar get ______? Naaaaah they can just take a Ynnari detachment instead!"

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PostSubject: Re: Ynnari FAQ today   Thu Nov 16 2017, 19:10

I think you got it wrong.

I think it could mean: mmh the ynnari power from death was a bit to powerfull
It stood as eqavalent to pfp, so probably we should also make that one a lot worse.
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PostSubject: Re: Ynnari FAQ today   Thu Nov 16 2017, 19:13

What I see happening is GW is going to turn being able to soulburst on your opponent's turn or more than once per action into the Ynnari stratagems or something like that because as it stood, giving them access to anything that buffed them even further just catapulted them above all other factions.

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PostSubject: Re: Ynnari FAQ today   Thu Nov 16 2017, 19:15

@SushiBoy013 wrote:
I'm in the "good riddance" corner. Didn't care about Ynnari to begin with, and quite frankly - I hope this means no one at GW sits back and thinks "Should Dark Eldar get ______? Naaaaah they can just take a Ynnari detachment instead!"

I dont like SM but i dont wish them to be crap tho, there is a difference in liking it and making it unplayable for those that do like it.

DE didnt even work well with Ynnari anyways so we never really had it as a solid option, it was Quins and CWE, but with CWE new codex you started to see Ynnari less and less, once DE/Quins codex comes out you most likely wouldnt have seen Ynnari much at all.



GW could have done 1 of the nerfs, i could see that, but 2 nerfs at once?   If Ynnari will get a full codex, ok i can see this being a thing, but why not change it when the codex comes out instead of making whole armies pointless to play....


Edit: I dont even play Ynnari and i'm pissed off... the fact that its unplayable now after they made it an faction with rules, fluff, paint scheme's etc...Then saying you can only do this once a turn and only your turn isnt even fair to the players.

Some players made whole armies Ynnari b.c its what they like.

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PostSubject: Re: Ynnari FAQ today   Thu Nov 16 2017, 19:21

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Edit: I dont even play Ynnari and i'm pissed off... the fact that its unplayable now after they made it an faction with rules, fluff, paint scheme's etc...Then saying you can only do this once a turn and only your turn isnt even fair to the players.

Some players made whole armies Ynnari b.c its what they like.

I made an entire Biel-Tan army who's lore and craftworld got destroyed to make way for the ridiculous mary sue faction. Normally I would empathize, but I am very, very much enjoying this.

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PostSubject: Re: Ynnari FAQ today   Thu Nov 16 2017, 19:29

That was a pretty rough nerf, even if I'm not the biggest fan of Ynnari on the tabletop. I don't know that they're unplayable (unless you only play in the Ricky Bobby mode of "if you ain't first you're last")

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PostSubject: Re: Ynnari FAQ today   Thu Nov 16 2017, 19:34

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Edit: I dont even play Ynnari and i'm pissed off... the fact that its unplayable now after they made it an faction with rules, fluff, paint scheme's etc...Then saying you can only do this once a turn and only your turn isnt even fair to the players.

Some players made whole armies Ynnari b.c its what they like.

I made an entire Biel-Tan army who's lore and craftworld got destroyed to make way for the ridiculous mary sue faction. Normally I would empathize, but I am very, very much enjoying this.

"I got screwed so now i laugh at others who got screwed"

And this is the attitude that ruins games/communities.

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PostSubject: Re: Ynnari FAQ today   Thu Nov 16 2017, 19:42

The word you're looking for is "schadenfreude", and as it relates to Ynnari, mine is entirely justified lol. I mean yeah it's awful that some people's army just took a rules hit. It's not like their lore or background or models were touched though. They can still *play* Ynnari if they don't mind losing, or could alternatively "get gud" and learn to win with a handicap.

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PostSubject: Re: Ynnari FAQ today   Thu Nov 16 2017, 19:54

@TeenageAngst wrote:
The word you're looking for is "schadenfreude", and as it relates to Ynnari, mine is entirely justified lol. I mean yeah it's awful that some people's army just took a rules hit. It's not like their lore or background or models were touched though. They can still *play* Ynnari if they don't mind losing, or could alternatively "get gud" and learn to win with a handicap.

Ynnari already wasnt that good tho....

And just so you know, you gaining pleasure from others pain is messed up, i used to help (for 12yrs my full time job) tortured, assault, bullied and all manors of mental/physical abused children, my wife was a victim of Munchausen syndrome by proxy (poison as a child, hospitalized over 20 times etc..) all b.c her mom wanted attention...

I dont mind if the change doesnt upset you, thats fully ok, but not the rest of what your saying.


I cant talk to you want more.

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PostSubject: Re: Ynnari FAQ today   Thu Nov 16 2017, 19:58

Okay back up, there is a difference between enjoying a good ol' salt parade and doing lasting psychological harm on people for the specific reason of getting one's rocks off. It's a collectable miniatures wargame.

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PostSubject: Re: Ynnari FAQ today   Thu Nov 16 2017, 20:01

@TeenageAngst wrote:
Okay back up, there is a difference between enjoying a good ol' salt parade and doing lasting psychological harm on people for the specific reason of getting one's rocks off. It's a collectable miniatures wargame.

I'll say sorry a bit, after years of working with that kind of stuff, its very hard to not get mad, one of my kids was duct taped up in the closest when the parents when out and every night.

I just dont understand any happiness from others being sadden.

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PostSubject: Re: Ynnari FAQ today   Thu Nov 16 2017, 22:00

I can understand it if people object to the fluff behind the Ynnari but this wasn't a fluff nerf, it was a rules nerf. That would be justified if Ynnari were taking all the top places in tournaments but they're not, so there's no good reason for this hefty swing of the nerfbat.

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PostSubject: Re: Ynnari FAQ today   Thu Nov 16 2017, 22:42

Maybe they'll release more soulburst action in the chapter approved...
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