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PostSubject: Re: Brainstorming Strategems   Thu Nov 23 2017, 20:52

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Sorry, buddy! (1CP) Select a friendly unit. That unit can shoot at an ennemy unit even if locked in CC. If you do, half the shots are allocated to the ennemy, half to your CC unit.

The guards have an equivalent that only hits allies on a roll of 1 to hit, and it doesn't even cost a CP.

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PostSubject: Re: Brainstorming Strategems   Thu Nov 23 2017, 22:50

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Sorry, buddy! (1CP) Select a friendly unit. That unit can shoot at an ennemy unit even if locked in CC. If you do, half the shots are allocated to the ennemy, half to your CC unit.

The guards have an equivalent that only hits allies on a roll of 1 to hit, and it doesn't even cost a CP.

Guards have everything we have, in better...
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PostSubject: Re: Brainstorming Strategems   Thu Nov 23 2017, 22:53

Yup, that's the spirit !

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PostSubject: Re: Brainstorming Strategems   Thu Nov 23 2017, 22:56

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PostSubject: Re: Brainstorming Strategems   Thu Nov 23 2017, 23:18

Hahaha let's not get too down. We have style Cool

I'd love a stratagem where we could just ignore allies and shoot in, its very d.eldar

They have it as an order, so if we pay a cp for it maybe we dont hurt allies on ones? But we have PFP instead of orders so it make sense we'd have to pay for it separately

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PostSubject: Re: Brainstorming Strategems   Fri Nov 24 2017, 08:35

Why is it so dark eldar to shoot in melee with allies?

For IG where life is cheaper then the guns they bring I understand it. But for dark eldar there is to much political mumbo jumbo to shoot allies without repercussions later in commoragh in my mind. During a raid we are supposed to work together as a well oiled machine where no back stabbing is allowed, shooting into combat with your own guys is just asking or backstabbings.
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PostSubject: Re: Brainstorming Strategems   Fri Nov 24 2017, 09:02

Yes but shooting the Ork Warboss currently dueling your Archon might be grounds for a pay-raise, reward or promotion.

Or simply exemption from an otherwise universal punishment.

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PostSubject: Re: Brainstorming Strategems   Fri Nov 24 2017, 09:21

Actually, that's a thought that could lead to some synergy between our units...

If an Archon had an aura of, say "<Kabal> and Scourge units within six inches of an Archon, or embarked on the same transport as an Archon (and maybe the Transport too) may select enemy units that are locked in combat with friendly DRUKHARI units as the target of a Shooting attack, with any failed hit roll of a 1 being treated as a successful hit against the friendly DRUKHARI unit involved in the combat."

This would synergise well with the currently questionable No Escape rule to create some amusing things.

It would also give the Archon a purpose.

Edit: or even if the Stratagem allowed you to choose between what it currently is, and giving an Archon the above aura for a shooting phase.

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PostSubject: Re: Brainstorming Strategems   Fri Nov 24 2017, 14:32

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Why is it so dark eldar to shoot in melee with allies?

For IG where life is cheaper then the guns they bring I understand it. But for dark eldar there is to much political mumbo jumbo to shoot allies without repercussions later in commoragh in my mind. During a raid we are supposed to work together as a well oiled machine where no back stabbing is allowed, shooting into combat with your own guys is just asking or backstabbings.

First, we don't really care about the life of others dark eldars. We won't backstab them for nothing, but I doubt a single archon would hesitate 1 second before sacrifying a whole unit for a greater tactical gain.

Secondly, most of the dark eldar bind their soul to their body when they do a raid. Killing 1 mean nothing, as they can be brought back to life, once back to Commoragh.

Thirdly. Screw Steeve, I don't like him!
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PostSubject: Re: Brainstorming Strategems   Fri Nov 24 2017, 22:36

@dumpeal wrote:
@|Meavar wrote:
Why is it so dark eldar to shoot in melee with allies?

For IG where life is cheaper then the guns they bring I understand it. But for dark eldar there is to much political mumbo jumbo to shoot allies without repercussions later in commoragh in my mind. During a raid we are supposed to work together as a well oiled machine where no back stabbing is allowed, shooting into combat with your own guys is just asking or backstabbings.

First, we don't really care about the life of others dark eldars. We won't backstab them for nothing, but I doubt a single archon would hesitate 1 second before sacrifying a whole unit for a greater tactical gain.

Secondly, most of the dark eldar bind their soul to their body when they do a raid. Killing 1 mean nothing, as they can be brought back to life, once back to Commoragh.

Thirdly. Screw Steeve, I don't like him!

Overt backstabbing on raids is not allowed, it is counterproductive. The dark city NEEDS raids to be successful or everyone gets fed to Slaanesh, and as a result raid etiquette says that there is to be no backstabbing until the loot is divvied up. Then you can shoot Steve. Because screw Steve.



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PostSubject: Re: Brainstorming Strategems   Fri Nov 24 2017, 22:38

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@dumpeal wrote:
@|Meavar wrote:
Why is it so dark eldar to shoot in melee with allies?

For IG where life is cheaper then the guns they bring I understand it. But for dark eldar there is to much political mumbo jumbo to shoot allies without repercussions later in commoragh in my mind. During a raid we are supposed to work together as a well oiled machine where no back stabbing is allowed, shooting into combat with your own guys is just asking or backstabbings.

First, we don't really care about the life of others dark eldars. We won't backstab them for nothing, but I doubt a single archon would hesitate 1 second before sacrifying a whole unit for a greater tactical gain.

Secondly, most of the dark eldar bind their soul to their body when they do a raid. Killing 1 mean nothing, as they can be brought back to life, once back to Commoragh.

Thirdly. Screw Steeve, I don't like him!

Overt backstabbing on raids is not allowed, it is counterproductive. The dark city NEEDS raids to be successful or everyone gets fed to Slaanesh, and as a result raid etiquette says that there is to be no backstabbing until the loot is divvied up. Then you can shoot Steve. Because screw Steve.


Killing 10 guys to ensure the success of a raid is not counter productive.
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PostSubject: Re: Brainstorming Strategems   Fri Nov 24 2017, 22:47

Haha I think this line of thought is a little 'down the rabbit hole'. I just want the same thought and effort placed into the Tyranid Codex put into ours as well. No hand-me-downs from the Eldar, no half-baked abilities that leave our units and warlords wanting. I just want a thoughtful codex.

There will be things that are still crumby, but overall...I'm expecting a competitive army compared to other codexed armies. I think it is going to require significant upgrades (and point reductions...) across our army, but I do not think that is too much to ask for.

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PostSubject: Re: Brainstorming Strategems   Fri Nov 24 2017, 23:00

I think its very dark eldar to sacrifice less valuable tube born kabalites, beasts, or haemonculus creations in order to kill an high value target.

I don't think its meant as a backstab...except when you roll a 1. Thats a rogue kabalite taking an opportunity to kill steve.

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