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PostSubject: Re: Next 3 Codex Announced   Sun Nov 05 2017, 21:35

We also have the chapter approved book to look forward to, effectively an "Index 2.O" for the armies that don't have a codex by Christmas ... So we will get something ... What? Who knows ... It could simply be an acknowledgement that Druhkari are still a major player in the havoc happening in the galaxy right now
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PostSubject: Re: Next 3 Codex Announced   Sun Nov 05 2017, 21:39

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We also have the chapter approved book to look forward to, effectively an "Index 2.O" for the armies that don't have a codex by Christmas ... So we will get something ... What? Who knows ... It could simply be an acknowledgement that Druhkari are still a major player in the havoc happening in the galaxy right now

My guess is we'll get primarily point adjustments, as well as a fix on Haywire. Maybe, just maybe, we'll get three unique warlord traits and three or four Stradegems. Nothing particularly game changing, but far better than nothing

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PostSubject: Re: Next 3 Codex Announced   Sun Nov 05 2017, 21:56

I've heard (and this is unsourced mind) that the Ynnari and Harlequin books are going to be wrapped up into one.
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PostSubject: Re: Next 3 Codex Announced   Sun Nov 05 2017, 22:36

Didn't they say that Ynnari will never have a codex, but rather have the few rules they need in the triumvirate box ?

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PostSubject: Re: Next 3 Codex Announced   Sun Nov 05 2017, 23:06

Nonono, this is good! Make them a small part of the Harlequins faction, so we can shove them in the back of the book and forget about them!

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PostSubject: Re: Next 3 Codex Announced   Sun Nov 05 2017, 23:08

@Mppqlmd wrote:
Didn't they say that Ynnari will never have a codex, but rather have the few rules they need in the triumvirate box ?

I don't think there's been any clear confirmation about the Ynnari Codex one way or the other so far. I'm still expecting them to get one, alongside the faction being fleshed out a bit more fully.
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PostSubject: Re: Next 3 Codex Announced   Mon Nov 06 2017, 05:32

@Mppqlmd wrote:
Didn't they say that Ynnari will never have a codex, but rather have the few rules they need in the triumvirate box ?

No, they said they will fix the box to have 8th rules for those that want to play CWE and not by the index to play as Ynnari as well.

They said for sure Harlequins will get a codex but nothing concrete about Ynnari

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PostSubject: Re: Next 3 Codex Announced   Mon Nov 06 2017, 06:20

PS, someone said haywire.... that rule needs to change for sure, its extremely bad, even if it was free i wouldnt take it.

Dark lane vs a Rhino with a 5++ the Lance does 4x the damage over a HWB. 4x! the damage

Haywire needs to be on a 2-3 it does 1 MW, 4-5 2 MW, 6 3 MW's

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PostSubject: Re: Next 3 Codex Announced   Mon Nov 06 2017, 06:24

In regards to Ynnari. I fully expect them to either get a codex, or get a rerelease of Gathering Storm, updated for 8th with stradegems taking the place of formations.

Honestly? Ynnarri are so fundamentally different than all the other Eldar they need independent point values. DL Scourges or Dark Reapers are more valuable in a Reborn Warhost in pretty much every circumstance. It'd really help to distinguish them as a faction, and help steer away from the soupy feel of them at the moment.

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PostSubject: Re: Next 3 Codex Announced   Mon Nov 06 2017, 06:26

I'm thinking they will limit what can be taken.

I'd rather see a Unique detachment just for them, something like;

1 HQ
3 Elites
4 Troops
2 Fast
1 Heavy

And try to pus focus on Troops and Elites over fast and heavys

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PostSubject: Re: Next 3 Codex Announced   Mon Nov 06 2017, 10:26

How do you all think they will handle the chapter approved?
It could look like a giant FAQ, but if that were the case it would be almost unwieldy because little bits would be every where, as it is the FAQs are difficult to find the rule you are after in a pinch (love that they are being produced and with such speed, mind) and this would be much bigger.

I guess they could just reprint the points page, which might be the reason the indexs were done the way they were, to keep the points separate and easier to amend later.
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PostSubject: Re: Next 3 Codex Announced   Mon Nov 06 2017, 15:25

@amishprn86 wrote:
PS, someone said haywire.... that rule needs to change for sure, its extremely bad, even if it was free i wouldnt take it.

Dark lane vs a Rhino with a 5++ the Lance does 4x the damage over a HWB. 4x! the damage

Haywire needs to be on a 2-3 it does 1 MW, 4-5 2 MW, 6 3 MW's

A simple way to make haywire good would be simply to state "1- does nothing. 2-5: Shift 1 state bellow in the wound states, 6: Treat the target as if it were in the most damaged state listed"

The vehicle would be crippled, as a haywire would do.
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PostSubject: Re: Next 3 Codex Announced   Mon Nov 06 2017, 15:29

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A simple way to make haywire good would be simply to state "1- does nothing. 2-5: Shift 1 state bellow in the wound states, 6: Treat the target as if it were in the most damaged state listed"

The vehicle would be crippled, as a haywire would do.

In addition to its current damage rule, I think that would fix the problems it has. It reduces a vehicle's firepower for a turn in exchange for a lower damage output.

It would be a weapon that would actually encourage a mixed loadout for Scourges too, which I think is excellent,

An exception of "Subtract 1 from the result when targeting [Superheavies]" would be needed for balance, I think.
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PostSubject: Re: Next 3 Codex Announced   Mon Nov 06 2017, 15:35

Yeah, that was something that was discussed a while back when talking about Haywire and I think it's a pretty good solution.

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PostSubject: Re: Next 3 Codex Announced   Mon Nov 06 2017, 15:54

I hope Ynnari get eaten by Papa Nurgle and continue life as a steaming demon dump because I think that is what the idea of Ynnari deserves.

P.S. I do not like Ynnari
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PostSubject: Re: Next 3 Codex Announced   Mon Nov 06 2017, 16:29

OH, Haywire being -1 to hit hit, movement and Str for a turn be really neat!

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PostSubject: Re: Next 3 Codex Announced   Tue Nov 07 2017, 00:15

@Dark Elf Dave wrote:
I hope Ynnari get eaten by Papa Nurgle and continue life as a steaming demon dump because I think that is what the idea of Ynnari deserves.

P.S. I do not like Ynnari

This one...I like this one.

I tried Ynnari, I kinda liked the concept...then I tried it and had an immediate reaction:

"Nope, Nope, Nope....feels wrong. Dark Eldar solidarity...can't be associated with lesser kin.

...Harlequins are fine."
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PostSubject: Re: Next 3 Codex Announced   Tue Nov 07 2017, 05:48

I thought he was talking about the story lol

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PostSubject: Re: Next 3 Codex Announced   Tue Nov 07 2017, 05:49

@Dark Elf Dave wrote:
I hope Ynnari get eaten by Papa Nurgle and continue life as a steaming demon dump because I think that is what the idea of Ynnari deserves.

P.S. I do not like Ynnari

You have summed up my feelings on this matter succinctly.

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PostSubject: Re: Next 3 Codex Announced   Tue Nov 07 2017, 07:22

I have a theory.... Eldar will not kill Slaanesh alone, a old, dark, webway race will help, his name is Qah!

And Slaanesh symbol will be replaced with the Hrud symbol the God Slah-Haii!

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Hrud

I actually like them a lot, they are Skaven for 40k with some ugly looking beasts instead of giant rats.


Inside this old 40k picture it shows them (in the middle)  https://imgur.com/U4H6ZnR

Think of Tau range with some Eldar/DE weapons (so 15" and 30" light fire weapons S3/4 no or -1 ap) and the special weapons like Lances and Plasma, and plays like old Corsairs Jump shoot Jump

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PostSubject: Re: Next 3 Codex Announced   Tue Nov 07 2017, 07:45

@amishprn86 wrote:
I have a theory.... Eldar will not kill Slaanesh alone, a old, dark, webway race will help, his name is Qah!

And Slaanesh symbol will be replaced with the Hrud symbol the God Slah-Haii!

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Hrud

I actually like them a lot, they are Skaven for 40k with some ugly looking beasts instead of giant rats.


Inside this old 40k picture it shows them (in the middle)  https://imgur.com/U4H6ZnR

Think of Tau range with some Eldar/DE weapons (so 15" and 30" light fire weapons S3/4 no or -1 ap) and the special weapons like Lances and Plasma, and plays like old Corsairs Jump shoot Jump

Don't the Hrud have those plasma muskets that travel through the warp and ignore armour (from Dark Heresy: Creatures Anathema)?

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PostSubject: Re: Next 3 Codex Announced   Tue Nov 07 2017, 08:41

Oh they might

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PostSubject: Re: Next 3 Codex Announced   Tue Nov 07 2017, 11:25

Would be interesting. Although i'd be sad to see Slaanesh leave. It's by far the most potentially interesting, and the most underexploited Chaos God.

I really feel GW is considering their average customer to function like this :
- Khorne : Yeeeehaaa, he's killing people, i love it !
- Nurgle : Ewwww, he's so yucky... gimme more !
- Slaanesh : Mommy, why are they all naked ?
- Tzeentch : i'm sorry he's the what.. ? Never mind, i already lost interest.

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PostSubject: Re: Next 3 Codex Announced   Tue Nov 07 2017, 13:06

@Mppqlmd wrote:
Would be interesting. Although i'd be sad to see Slaanesh leave. It's by far the most potentially interesting, and the most underexploited Chaos God.

I really feel GW is considering their average customer to function like this :
- Khorne : Yeeeehaaa, he's killing people, i love it !
- Nurgle : Ewwww, he's so yucky... gimme more !
- Slaanesh : Mommy, why are they all naked ?
- Tzeentch : i'm sorry he's the what.. ? Never mind, i already lost interest.

Yep this, and its already started with Ynnari story arch, its a really good way to move the 40k universe along and make new players happy, also old players gets a new race, but they old Slaanesh is still there for rules and models range, BUT they dont need to make a "Slaanesh Book" now, like T-son, KDK, DG, etc...

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PostSubject: Re: Next 3 Codex Announced   Tue Nov 07 2017, 22:14

honesty the rate they do codex and I don't see them slowing until its done. We should see a dex I'd say at the latest spring 2018. there's what roughly 10 left and they seem to do about 2 a month. even with AoS releases spattered in that is still a lot better than the gap between 3rd and 5th
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