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PostSubject: Re: Tactical Tidbits - Skaris Book of Wisdom   Sun Feb 25 2018, 05:14

I like the 20 Kabal in ds with the stratagem. They shoot a good amount of antiinfantry, and being 20 you can use them as area denial for.other DS units, or just a shield for an enemy charge.
Or try to bring.and objective with their numbers.
For 140 points, 40 shots sounds good. If you have Doom in your list, sounds even better Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Tactical Tidbits - Skaris Book of Wisdom   Mon Mar 05 2018, 19:27

Honestly the best use of Webway is Guardian Defenders or Shining Spears.

But from a pure DE perspective, top options seem to be Kabalites w/ max splinter and Wyches if you can find an opportunity to pop your opponent's bubble wrap and tie up something important (Kastellans, tanks, Hive Guard, etc). Hellions are good in theory but frankly given that everything else in our list is usually in a transport,

Since we were just on the topic of our vehicles with no penalty to shooting, anyone else having a hard time getting mileage out of Ravagers? If I get first turn, I can usually pop a vehicle or two. On the other hand, they're really hard to keep out of Line of Sight due to those ridiculously tall sails. If I don't get first turn they usually get hit pretty hard. If I do get first turn, my opponent's first turn is usually enough to put a good hurtin' on 'em. Part of the problem is just that other armies bring way more efficient firepower to the table than we do, but it's gotten to the point that I'm considering dropping Ravagers altogether in favor of Lance Scourge.

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PostSubject: Re: Tactical Tidbits - Skaris Book of Wisdom   Mon Mar 05 2018, 20:01

If your tables don't have enough LOS blocking cover, Scourges are indeed a good opportunity for the alpha-strike immunity.

But considering their inv save, ravagers are still quite resistant to anti-tank weaponry. In my experience at least.

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PostSubject: Re: Tactical Tidbits - Skaris Book of Wisdom   Mon Mar 05 2018, 20:24

There's a decent amount of LoS blocking terrain, it's just that Ravagers tower over them with their sails haha. Usually the way it goes is that I have 1 turn of full-effect shooting if I go first, a turn of mostly full-effect, and it just snowballs from there as I can't shoot back. If I whiff on the dice rolls first turn, I have a hard time taking down anything tough. Probably just need to get RWJF/Voidravens on the board.

Ravagers are doing fine against anti-tank weaponry like Lascannons and such, but it's that weight of dice S 5-6 en masse that's killing me. Kastellans, Dark Reapers, autocannons, plasma, that kinda thing. Seems like the current meta just so happens to be a counter to our transport-heavy builds.

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PostSubject: Re: Tactical Tidbits - Skaris Book of Wisdom   Tue Mar 06 2018, 23:21

Deep strike and cc units is such a risk i just don't like it now. I also use Orks, and if Kommandos fail that charge you get crushed. Same with wyches and Incubi. WWS is good for large squads of kabalite warriors or true born imo.

Wws combined with harlequins and twilight pathways is amazing.
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PostSubject: Re: Tactical Tidbits - Skaris Book of Wisdom   Wed Mar 07 2018, 07:28

Jeah it seems all the "good" melee armies have some way of gaining another move or something to make sure that 1 unit can get the charge off.
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PostSubject: Re: Tactical Tidbits - Skaris Book of Wisdom   Sun Apr 01 2018, 17:06

I will be doing very comprehensive tactical breakdowns when I get the book. Anything you’d like to see specifically?
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PostSubject: Re: Tactical Tidbits - Skaris Book of Wisdom   Sun Apr 01 2018, 17:07

Ill pre-command the book tomorrow, and i'm willing to write a complete analysis as well.

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PostSubject: Re: Tactical Tidbits - Skaris Book of Wisdom   Mon Apr 02 2018, 00:02

@Chippen wrote:
There's a decent amount of LoS blocking terrain, it's just that Ravagers tower over them with their sails haha

From designer's commentary found on https://www.warhammer-community.com/faqs/

"Q: When a model does not have a base, as is the case with many vehicles, what exactly is the ‘hull’ of the model?
A: The hull of these models refers to
the main body of the model. It does not include things such as turrets, sponsons, aerials, banners, spikes etc. If there is still doubt, we recommend both players agree about what constitutes the hull of such models before the battle begins."
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PostSubject: Re: Tactical Tidbits - Skaris Book of Wisdom   Mon Apr 02 2018, 10:45

I don't know how specific that is, but do you think leadership manipulation with covens is a competitive tactic? Wracks seem to have gotten better, but do they really have a place if compared to wyches? i am very curious about your opinion about all coven stuff, I loved Urien and grots in 7th
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PostSubject: Re: Tactical Tidbits - Skaris Book of Wisdom   Mon Apr 02 2018, 10:49

No, i've never seen anyone other than 1 Ork player lose models due to Moral

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PostSubject: Re: Tactical Tidbits - Skaris Book of Wisdom   Mon Apr 02 2018, 10:55

@amishprn86 wrote:
No, i've never seen anyone other than 1 Ork player lose models due to Moral

Yes but you never saw someone do a moral test with a -4
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PostSubject: Re: Tactical Tidbits - Skaris Book of Wisdom   Mon Apr 02 2018, 11:30

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@amishprn86 wrote:
No, i've never seen anyone other than 1 Ork player lose models due to Moral

Yes but you never saw someone do a moral test with a -4

Ive played with -2 a heck of a lot and that never even did anything. For friendly games it'll work, but since you said competitive.......

Against SM it might work due to them being LD8, -4 means if you kill 1 guy they are rolling +5 to a dice roll, they need to roll a 4+ to even lose a model, so you need to kill 2-3 even with -4.

My problem is, can you do that on 3+ units a turn? If you are able to do that then yes it could work great, but IDK how reliable it is.

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PostSubject: Re: Tactical Tidbits - Skaris Book of Wisdom   Mon Apr 02 2018, 11:47

@@miral wrote:
I don't know how specific that is, but do you think leadership manipulation with covens is a competitive tactic? Wracks seem to have gotten better, but do they really have a place if compared to wyches? i am very curious about your opinion about all coven stuff, I loved  Urien and grots in 7th

I think you can do something.

Coven + Farseer w/ Mind War + Hemlocks, and you have many -LDs to launch mind bullets to them

@amishprn86 wrote:
No, i've never seen anyone other than 1 Ork player lose models due to Moral

What?
Back in the beginning of 8th Ed, you were dealing with huge blobs of horrors with this: Make enough dmg to trigger an enough morale check. It is still the case with Daemons, Tzaangor bomb and stuff.
And Harly-Ynnari armies with morale check also, due to the soulburst.
Marines doesn't really work well because they can reroll the morale check. But they still lose some.
You can use 2 CP to avoid it, but hey, 2 CP lost is always good.
The only army with which it doesn't work is Orks due to their immunity to morale check when they are many.
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PostSubject: Re: Tactical Tidbits - Skaris Book of Wisdom   Mon Apr 02 2018, 11:50

Bear in mind that they CAN use 2cp to ignore that big leadership test.... until "Agents of Vect"... insert devious smile.

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PostSubject: Re: Tactical Tidbits - Skaris Book of Wisdom   Mon Apr 02 2018, 12:13

@Alezya wrote:
@@miral wrote:
I don't know how specific that is, but do you think leadership manipulation with covens is a competitive tactic? Wracks seem to have gotten better, but do they really have a place if compared to wyches? i am very curious about your opinion about all coven stuff, I loved  Urien and grots in 7th

I think you can do something.

Coven + Farseer w/ Mind War + Hemlocks, and you have many -LDs to launch mind bullets to them

@amishprn86 wrote:
No, i've never seen anyone other than 1 Ork player lose models due to Moral

What?
Back in the beginning of 8th Ed, you were dealing with huge blobs of horrors with this: Make enough dmg to trigger an enough morale check. It is still the case with Daemons, Tzaangor bomb and stuff.
And Harly-Ynnari armies with morale check also, due to the soulburst.
Marines doesn't really work well because they can reroll the morale check. But they still lose some.
You can use 2 CP to avoid it, but hey, 2 CP lost is always good.
The only army with which it doesn't work is Orks due to their immunity to morale check when they are many.

And all had rules to ignore the Moral phase

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PostSubject: Re: Tactical Tidbits - Skaris Book of Wisdom   Mon Apr 02 2018, 12:17

Isn’t there a wording that you can’t use screaming jets if you use wwp?

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PostSubject: Re: Tactical Tidbits - Skaris Book of Wisdom   Mon Apr 02 2018, 12:19

@Hen Tai, the tentacle guy wrote:
Isn’t there a wording that you can’t use screaming jets if you use wwp?

You cant use it if you use WWP in a previous or same turn, you need to use Screaming jets a turn before WWP

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PostSubject: Re: Tactical Tidbits - Skaris Book of Wisdom   Tue Apr 03 2018, 16:21

wwp and screaming jets are totally unrelated.

First game with the new book:

Reaver Jetbikes that can advance and charge are awesome.

4++ coven units are scary tough, grotesques and talos... also wracks to hold objectives at the back!

Agents of Vect... very very powerful strategem...
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PostSubject: Re: Tactical Tidbits - Skaris Book of Wisdom   Tue Apr 03 2018, 16:28

How did you play the Grots/Talos? What gear did you take on them as well?

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PostSubject: Re: Tactical Tidbits - Skaris Book of Wisdom   Tue Apr 03 2018, 16:35

Wait you have the book? PLEASE tell us if we can mix and match obsessions in vehicles??

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PostSubject: Re: Tactical Tidbits - Skaris Book of Wisdom   Tue Apr 03 2018, 17:02

All very good news about your battle, good to hear reavers and coven units doing well. Very much looking forward to your first post-codex battle report.

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PostSubject: Re: Tactical Tidbits - Skaris Book of Wisdom   Tue Apr 03 2018, 17:35

@Skari wrote:
wwp and screaming jets are totally unrelated.

First game with the new book:

Reaver Jetbikes that can advance and charge are awesome.

4++ coven units are scary tough, grotesques and talos... also wracks to hold objectives at the back!

Agents of Vect... very very powerful strategem...



Is that on your channel?
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PostSubject: Re: Tactical Tidbits - Skaris Book of Wisdom   Tue Apr 03 2018, 19:44

We've seen a lot of the synergy stuff already from the leaks etc, I want to know how our Mercs, beasts and how the Talos and Cronos are doing.

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PostSubject: Re: Tactical Tidbits - Skaris Book of Wisdom   Wed Apr 04 2018, 22:11

Hi guys! More info to come. The batrep was released to the patreons early, it will be available to everyone on the weekend.

The passenger wording has not changed since the INDEX this seems to indicate that cult/coven/kabal and different obessions can all embark on each others transports as usual.

Talos, decent ! Got cheaper, this really helps...

Grots are not really any different then the INDEX... but they are more survuvable with the obsessions.

I do not have a copy of the book. I am not big enough yet for GW to take stock Sad But I will be doing the content as soon as I can and in the best depth as I can.
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