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What unit should we mention ?
- Special HQs
11%
 11% [ 37 ]
- Better regular HQs
18%
 18% [ 61 ]
- Reavers
12%
 12% [ 40 ]
- Hellions
7%
 7% [ 22 ]
- Wyches
10%
 10% [ 33 ]
- Poison weapons
9%
 9% [ 29 ]
- Heatlances, Shredders, Haywire blasters
16%
 16% [ 54 ]
- Pain Engines and grotesques
15%
 15% [ 50 ]
- Other units (please state in thread)
2%
 2% [ 7 ]
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PostSubject: Re: Letter to GW about our wishes and requests   Thu Sep 21 2017, 19:46

At the very least, I think that a hardcopy needs to be send directly to GW *in addition* to other methods. I think that it conveys a level of seriousness that goes well above just posting stuff on the internet.
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PostSubject: Re: Letter to GW about our wishes and requests   Thu Sep 21 2017, 21:41

I feel like FLG would respond "lol guiz Drukhari iz numba onez fo reelz we playtested it ourselves and you're just all not as smart as us"

Like they did to every negative comment pre release.

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PostSubject: Re: Letter to GW about our wishes and requests   Thu Sep 21 2017, 21:43

Count Adhemar wrote:
If anyone is that way inclined, creating a suitable hard copy of the letter might get good results. Making it look like it was written in blood on flayed skin for example. This could then be scanned and a link to it put on the GW Facebook page, along with posting or, if possible, hand delivering the hard copy to GW.
This is good thinking there. We need more of that stuff. Twisted Evil

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PostSubject: Re: Letter to GW about our wishes and requests   Thu Sep 21 2017, 21:46

The Red King wrote:
I feel like FLG would respond "lol guiz Drukhari iz numba onez fo reelz we playtested it ourselves and you're just all not as smart as us"

Like they did to every negative comment pre release.

I don't like trashing other companies in the game industry, and I would hate to accuse someone of unethical reviews or professional dishonesty. However, I have noticed that Frontline's assessment of new materials doesn't line up with my tabletop experiences, with an alarming frequency.
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PostSubject: Re: Letter to GW about our wishes and requests   Thu Sep 21 2017, 22:00

I'm not even accusing them of shilling on a business level. I'm accusing him of being a dick to people in the comment section and hand waving every complaint with a smug little "we've played it and you're wrong " even when it turned out they really weren't wrong.

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PostSubject: Re: Letter to GW about our wishes and requests   Fri Sep 22 2017, 00:07

The sad part about that attitude is that the extension of their play testing had them play testing the codecies as well ... Or at least rules and stratagems and such for the codecies of 8th so there is a disconnect between the knowledge of the play testers and the actual players in that a lot of the issues players have with models the play testers have already played a different version of and weigh their bias more towards what they know is coming as opposed to what is out right now ... As one of them admitted to having built SM lists well in advance of the SM codex release ... Anywho ... The letter looks awesome and I think it'll at least make gw realize that their focus should be entirely on chaos and the imperium as there are a vast minority of players that actually play neither and are more interested in the xenos factions.
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PostSubject: Re: Letter to GW about our wishes and requests   Fri Sep 22 2017, 09:48

Sadly I lost all respect for FLG in terms of Dark Eldar when they said Wyches were in the top 3 most improved units in all 40K and yet Frankie uses precisely zero Wyches in his lists and Reece uses 1 unit. They must be really awesome!

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PostSubject: Re: Letter to GW about our wishes and requests   Fri Sep 22 2017, 16:05

Count Adhemar wrote:
Sadly I lost all respect for FLG in terms of Dark Eldar when they said Wyches were in the top 3 most improved units in all 40K and yet Frankie uses precisely zero Wyches in his lists and Reece uses 1 unit. They must be really awesome!

Indeed.
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PostSubject: Re: Letter to GW about our wishes and requests   Fri Sep 22 2017, 17:15

I had noticed their assessments didn't match my observations. I hadn't even thought to see if their professed assessments matched their own play choices.

That's...damning.
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PostSubject: Re: Letter to GW about our wishes and requests   Sat Sep 23 2017, 15:15

We need to settle quickly for a mean of transmitting this letter.

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PostSubject: Re: Letter to GW about our wishes and requests   Sat Sep 23 2017, 15:31

We are an online community, go online.
Physical mail is slow to receive, long to process by their side and easy to lose/accidentally ignore.
New GW is putting a lot of effort in their online presence, it is probably the best way to go.
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PostSubject: Re: Letter to GW about our wishes and requests   Sat Sep 23 2017, 16:01

Logan Frost wrote:
We are an online community, go online.
Physical mail is slow to receive, long to process by their side and easy to lose/accidentally ignore.
New GW is putting a lot of effort in their online presence, it is probably the best way to go.

That's my opinion as well.
So Social Networks only, or a copy to some email adress ?

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PostSubject: Re: Letter to GW about our wishes and requests   Sat Sep 23 2017, 16:07

I would say both, email to be more official and personal, and social network to get occasional support from outside the dark city community.
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PostSubject: Re: Letter to GW about our wishes and requests   Sat Sep 23 2017, 17:42

I agree - I will reach out to FLG if yall are cool with that, and I will also talk with my local store owner for where we might be able to send an email to.

Also, I will try and do up the AI stats today, and post them here for review.
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PostSubject: Re: Letter to GW about our wishes and requests   Sun Sep 24 2017, 13:41

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Also, I will try and do up the AI stats today, and post them here for review.

And i think that once you're done, we could decide to hit "send".

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PostSubject: Re: Letter to GW about our wishes and requests   Mon Sep 25 2017, 07:45

Count Adhemar wrote:
Sadly I lost all respect for FLG in terms of Dark Eldar when they said Wyches were in the top 3 most improved units in all 40K and yet Frankie uses precisely zero Wyches in his lists and Reece uses 1 unit. They must be really awesome!

It's almost like they're getting financial sponsorship by GW or something.

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PostSubject: Re: Letter to GW about our wishes and requests   Mon Sep 25 2017, 07:53

Or they are actually right.

The unit went from: I would not touch it with a 50ft pole to:
Maybe I will use the unit once in a while for a specific purpose.

Even though the unit still sucks it became an awfull lot better. Special rule while not great is an improvement, pfp is better now, you can pick drugs which is huge.
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PostSubject: Re: Letter to GW about our wishes and requests   Mon Sep 25 2017, 09:46

i'd love to see useful archons, hellions with a role and useful (even if niche) special weapons. atm only blasters and dark lances makes sense. shredder, heat lances...are trashy.
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PostSubject: Re: Letter to GW about our wishes and requests   Mon Sep 25 2017, 10:11

Shredders IMO are good, just to costly, they need to be 2pts, the idea behind them are reliable AI. Where Rifles gives you 2 shots each at 4+ to wound they give you D3 at 2+/3+ to wound.

Honestly an army full of them at 2pts be neat play style, Venoms with 5mans with 4 Shredders, thats 143pts pts.


I mean........ Storm Bolters are 2pt... why are Shredders 8pts? I tested out a SOB SB spam list (6 Troops with 3 SB's in each unit, in 6 Repressors with 2 SB's on each) 30 SB's dont sound like a lot but in Open top vehicles you are getting (in rapid range) 120 shots


PS: 51pts for a 5man w/ 3 SB, Repressors are 92pts..... Pseudo Open top Rhinos (6 fire points) For the points thats insanely good.

Guess what? Thats 143pts the same as if Shredders where 2pts in 5man Trueborn with Venom.

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PostSubject: Re: Letter to GW about our wishes and requests   Mon Sep 25 2017, 10:26

I agree with you: the weapon is fine, just extremely overcosted... which in turn makes the weapon not good Razz
also, the heat lance is overcosted as hell! and the haywire rifle

it looks like a lot of overcosted S*it is swamping our index. I guess thats a telltale sign of the lack of playtest/effort for the DE during developement..
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PostSubject: Re: Letter to GW about our wishes and requests   Mon Sep 25 2017, 10:38

Archon Rixec wrote:
I agree with you: the weapon is fine, just extremely overcosted... which in turn makes the weapon not good Razz
also, the heat lance is overcosted as hell! and the haywire rifle

it looks like a lot of overcosted S*it is swamping our index. I guess thats a telltale sign of the lack of playtest/effort for the DE during developement..

The play testing was only a hand full of players, the thing about only using a few players is that they cant think of everything.

At least the trend is making 1/2 the codex's cheaper in points lol

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PostSubject: Re: Letter to GW about our wishes and requests   Mon Sep 25 2017, 11:31

From broadening my horizons I have seen great success from the likes of Malifaux, Infinity and in one way 9th Age who listen to their audiences and uses them as a giant playtesting utility for their games. By following what the majority agree with and cross referencing with other factions, you can streamline your game into a highly playable and competitive machine.


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PostSubject: Re: Letter to GW about our wishes and requests   Mon Sep 25 2017, 12:06

amishprn86, you do know we will get a new codex in 2029 right? Sad
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PostSubject: Re: Letter to GW about our wishes and requests   Mon Sep 25 2017, 12:09

Archon Rixec wrote:
amishprn86, you do know we will get a new codex in 2029 right? Sad

Nah thats the SoB, DE will be 1/2 that time.

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PostSubject: Re: Letter to GW about our wishes and requests   Mon Sep 25 2017, 12:20

snap, you're right... 2023 seems doable Smile
About wiches, i think we are better served with bloodbrides. costly, but better damage output. a raider filled with them+a succubus 'aint so shabby a melee unit. Of course this edition we are a shooty army even more so, so thake this statement with the right view Wink A nice fix for the lot woud be tweaking the roll of into a fixed 5+ needed from the enemy unit. (or a fixed 3+ for us required to keep them engaged), better odds.
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