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What unit should we mention ?
- Special HQs
11%
 11% [ 37 ]
- Better regular HQs
18%
 18% [ 61 ]
- Reavers
12%
 12% [ 40 ]
- Hellions
7%
 7% [ 22 ]
- Wyches
10%
 10% [ 33 ]
- Poison weapons
9%
 9% [ 29 ]
- Heatlances, Shredders, Haywire blasters
16%
 16% [ 54 ]
- Pain Engines and grotesques
15%
 15% [ 50 ]
- Other units (please state in thread)
2%
 2% [ 7 ]
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PostSubject: Re: Letter to GW about our wishes and requests   Tue Sep 19 2017, 21:05

Well GW did also say some armies with the codex "will" get some models, DG, and SM did gain models also.

I dont think We will, but there is still hope.

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PostSubject: Re: Letter to GW about our wishes and requests   Wed Sep 20 2017, 02:57

Honestly, I think there are new Models ready to go for us. There have been way to many rumors about Vect and other minis, over the past couple of years. Remember they will sit on models for years waiting for a good time to release them, or they have a change of plans in story that will delay a release.

Just my 2 cents.
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PostSubject: Re: Letter to GW about our wishes and requests   Wed Sep 20 2017, 09:47

The DE line is absolutely gorgeous, not bringing out new models for it on a regular basis is criminal.

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PostSubject: Re: Letter to GW about our wishes and requests   Wed Sep 20 2017, 10:22

They probably had new models ready to go a few months after our last codex release but were gonna wait till our next codex to release them, however, unless DE are secretly taking the place of CWE in the next three codex releases I think this is far more likely a new sculpt for something like striking scorpions ... Or the tip of the weapon for the next primarch
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PostSubject: Re: Letter to GW about our wishes and requests   Wed Sep 20 2017, 19:22

We're losing focus here guys. Please try to remain focused on the subject of the thread, else we're not moving much...

@Strange Dark One, you wish to make a counterproposition for the content of the letter ?

If not i'm settling myself to rework it.

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PostSubject: Re: Letter to GW about our wishes and requests   Thu Sep 21 2017, 04:21

I am loving the letter. Well done.

Is it open? May I make some minor edits in track changes?
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PostSubject: Re: Letter to GW about our wishes and requests   Thu Sep 21 2017, 04:26

There is a link in this thread where you can add suggestions to the content. Feel free to do it Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Letter to GW about our wishes and requests   Thu Sep 21 2017, 04:28

No mention of the coven guns? Liquifier gun particularly?
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PostSubject: Re: Letter to GW about our wishes and requests   Thu Sep 21 2017, 04:56

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No mention of the coven guns? Liquifier gun particularly?
We tried to narrow down the essential, and people didn't mention it that much when brainstorming. It could be added if a lot of us think it's necessary.

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PostSubject: Re: Letter to GW about our wishes and requests   Thu Sep 21 2017, 05:11

If you wouldn't mind, I can add a short paragraph on it in keeping with the existing format in "the Arsenal" section.

Mainly, the change to the AP system much improves the liquifier's random roll for AP (so thanks), but given its cost relative to its strength, it is still too expensive for what it does. Yet, with a minor cost adjustment it is poised to be a significantly needed answer in the Dark Eldar Index to dealing with hordes. A price reduction and/or a strength increase would do wonders for making this gun fun to use. (Further, the low strength but potentially high AP of the gun sort of puts those two stats at cross purposes, but not sure how to address).

The hexrifle and ossefactor are not so much problematic in and of themselves, but rather they are so hard to obtain in any significant numbers that their effect is a statistical blip, and thus planning around them doing anything of note is hard to do. For example, what does an army composition look like to actually use hexrifles for their sniper ability, and how much could that actually achieve? Similarly for ossefactors.
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PostSubject: Re: Letter to GW about our wishes and requests   Thu Sep 21 2017, 05:36

Personally, I think that brevity will increase the likelihood of action being taken.

To that end, I don't think the changes to liquifier guns are necessary enough to warrant their inclusion.
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PostSubject: Re: Letter to GW about our wishes and requests   Thu Sep 21 2017, 06:08

I personally don't feel the one paragraph will swing it either way.

In a relative sense I personally care more about liquifiers and every other coven gun than I do, say, about Shredders, who are provided on a platform that has other viable options. None of the coven guns are viable. That's a bit of a bigger hole, in my personal opinion.

That said, it is the community's letter, so I'll bow to whatever the dominant desire is.
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PostSubject: Re: Letter to GW about our wishes and requests   Thu Sep 21 2017, 06:10

That's the problem when 50+ people work on the same thing...

I feel we can add a mention of the Liquifier being overpriced in the Talos/Chronos paragraph, though. A few words won't hurt much.

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PostSubject: Re: Letter to GW about our wishes and requests   Thu Sep 21 2017, 06:16

I will agree with Jimsolo. The letter should focus on things we are all agreed on, and not drown those out. I think some will disagree on liq etc. but who will say HWB is good?

I like the math section now, it is good and shows it's not just a subjective issue of we don't like this gun, but objectively, mathematically an issue of it not being worth (and also shows that we do analyze and care about it so the math does matter for your customers, at least a subset)
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PostSubject: Re: Letter to GW about our wishes and requests   Thu Sep 21 2017, 06:45

I dunno who's currently writing modifications, but kuddos to him !

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PostSubject: Re: Letter to GW about our wishes and requests   Thu Sep 21 2017, 06:53

That would be me. I write stuff for a living, so I'm doing best to clean up while holding back my urge to red pen too much.
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PostSubject: Re: Letter to GW about our wishes and requests   Thu Sep 21 2017, 06:58

Woozl wrote:
That would be me. I write stuff for a living, so I'm doing best to clean up while holding back my urge to red pen too much.

Thanks. I have to admit i lack subtlety when expressing myself in English, so i definitly appreciate.

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PostSubject: Re: Letter to GW about our wishes and requests   Thu Sep 21 2017, 08:19

Woozl wrote:
The hexrifle and ossefactor are not so much problematic in and of themselves, but rather they are so hard to obtain in any significant numbers that their effect is a statistical blip, and thus planning around them doing anything of note is hard to do. For example, what does an army composition look like to actually use hexrifles for their sniper ability, and how much could that actually achieve? Similarly for ossefactors.

I believe someone in another thread pointed out that the hexrifle is essentially a bog standard sniper rifle that cost more points.
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PostSubject: Re: Letter to GW about our wishes and requests   Thu Sep 21 2017, 12:44

I have three more questions:
1: Is there a solution we can agree on for the Shredder? Personally, I would like to see it simply being an S6 flamer. I regard AP-4 on a 6 as unreliable and overkill on GEQ

2: Should we add the Liquifier as a separate entity in the wargear section? It's mentioned in the Talos entry, but I think it deserves its own spot.

3: I personally think that we should have more access to wargear in general. I think GW artificially restricts our wargear options to what is found in the according box and I regard this as a problem. Also, from a conceptual standpoint I think we should have much more access to wargear all around.

Personally, I think Kabalites should have access to 2 special weapons per squad and 2 maybe even 2 heavy weapons per 10 (like Corsairs in 7th edition). This would also mitigate the issue with Reavers and their limited wargear. We could highlight that increasing the amount of wargear was a huge success in 7th edition with Scourges.

Edit: I think we should mention that we are dedicated fans of this niche army who love the unique look of the army and the possibility for conversions. This ties into making our army less reliant on what is in a model box.

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We're losing focus here guys. Please try to remain focused on the subject of the thread, else we're not moving much...

@Strange Dark One, you wish to make a counterproposition for the content of the letter ?

If not i'm settling myself to rework it.

Sorry it took so long, but I changed it now.

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PostSubject: Re: Letter to GW about our wishes and requests   Thu Sep 21 2017, 13:10

I think the letter is very nearly complete.

We have a few points to AI weapons, and I would love it if someone is able to do a stats block on the AI weapons in the same style as the AT weapons were done.

If not, then I will try and do so. I am also adding hyper links through the document back to the stats as a quick reference.

Also, once we are good and happy with this letter - I will change the permissions so anyone can view but no more comments can be made.

How are we thinking of distributing this letter? Post to their FB page? Try and get FrontLine behind it? Other nefarious plots including but not limited to printing and attaching as flyers to all car windshield in England?
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PostSubject: Re: Letter to GW about our wishes and requests   Thu Sep 21 2017, 15:41

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Sorry it took so long, but I changed it now.
No problem. It's just that it's hard to keep track of who's doing what. Thanks Smile
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How are we thinking of distributing this letter? Post to their FB page? Try and get FrontLine behind it? Other nefarious plots including but not limited to printing and attaching as flyers to all car windshield in England?
That's a valid question.

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PostSubject: Re: Letter to GW about our wishes and requests   Thu Sep 21 2017, 16:21

Faitherun wrote:

How are we thinking of distributing this letter? Post to their FB page? Try and get FrontLine behind it? Other nefarious plots including but not limited to printing and attaching as flyers to all car windshield in England?

I like the last option, but I actually think the earlier options might be slightly better suited.

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PostSubject: Re: Letter to GW about our wishes and requests   Thu Sep 21 2017, 17:11

Would be awesome if we could send a physical copy of the letter to GW HQ and have it literally signed by all of us. But I've no idea how to organize such a feat. Digital signatures scanned in? The problem with that is identity theft...

Maybe one of those online petition sites where we could all sign and then post it on their FB with a link to the petition?

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PostSubject: Re: Letter to GW about our wishes and requests   Thu Sep 21 2017, 19:41

Getting FLG involved is a really nice idea. Would they be interested in community DE opinion? Would mailing them about our intentions be good?

Signatures from all of us should be good. It's not like they have to be validated with a certificate, this is not a petition to Congress, rather a collective letter by a fan forum. So signing with your handle here should be good. In fact all who want to sign could just post in this or another thread if Mppqlmd thinks that's an acceptable way to do it. As the letter was when I last read it, I would sign. (Although I would say the HWB is in a "terrible" spot right now, not a "weird" spot since it is basically never a good choice now, but the point is made)
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PostSubject: Re: Letter to GW about our wishes and requests   Thu Sep 21 2017, 21:56

If anyone is that way inclined, creating a suitable hard copy of the letter might get good results. Making it look like it was written in blood on flayed skin for example. This could then be scanned and a link to it put on the GW Facebook page, along with posting or, if possible, hand delivering the hard copy to GW.

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